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In Response to Re: To Birthers, Tea Baggers and Republicans:
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I'm reminded of the dimwits in the sixties who insisted that "Love it or Leave It" was the correct patriotic view, to which "Change It or Lose It" was the retort given to brain-damaged rightwingnuts.
Turns out that things got changed a lot, and will continue to be changed even more in the future.
Haggard's song, and the position it represents is not something that the majority agrees with any longer. It's the past, which will never again return.
Patriotism has been called the last resort of a scoundrel - Actually, when observing the House Republicans, it's quite obviously the first resort of liars, crooks, politicians, and the fascist oligarchs who own and control those politicians.
As for Haggard's position - I prefer that of Mark Twain to Haggard's. As a paraphrase of Twain's statement goes -Twain believed in always supporting his country - and the government when he thought it deserved it.
Haggard and all others who erroneously believe they should or do have the right to define patriotism and impose their definition upon others will find that the opinion of the majority of citizens of this nation most likely will be that they are cordially invited to either take the proverbial long walk off a short pier, or engage in the proverbial anatomically impossible reproductive act. I'm certain the freedom of choice accorded them by the majority will be appreciated by those "patriots".
Posted by alferdpacker
Sounds like your post is like the part of the song, "They love our milk an' honey, But they preach about some other way of livin'". But you also ignore the part of the song, "An' I don't mind 'em switchin' sides, An' standin' up for things they believe in".
You ignored what the song's basic message is. It puts down the people that can't find anything good about this country, but expects all the good stuff that it gives us, and also ignores the sacrifices that our military men (and women) has given to this country. It would seem that the song hit home.
QUOTE: "When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
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Posted by di52517
Need to go back and have a native English speaker with formal training and demonstrated competence in use of the English language with an ability to comprehend the finer nuances of usage explain the meaning of my post you.
You obviously failed to comprehend the meaning of my post.
While you have superior IT skills, I've not seen demonstrated any ability to comprehend and distinguish either any linguistic niceties - or the meaning of my words in my post.
First, I never switched sides. Even in the early and middle sixties, it was obvious that Vietnam was doomed to be as unwinnable as Korea. Maybe that's what happens when one sees reality instead of what the politicians and priests want you to believe you see. That's why I went nucsub. I saw no concievable rational reason to go ashore into that cluster-Fxxx, because of a series of incredibly stupid and ill conceived political gestures made by a fanatically half-witted alcoholic partially insane Senator, and a then VP who was looking to score political points, followed by more politicians taking cues from professional liars. Did I support my country by serving? Yep, I did. Did I support the then current administration because I didn't believe it deserved it? Nope they didn't deserve support for their deliberate lies. (remember when Robert McNamara said he knew it was lost many years before the end?) A couple of times while on leave, I dressed in civvies, wore a wig, and helped friends drive to Canada because they did not believe in the draft and as a matter of conscience were not about to participate. Wasn't a thoughtless dolt who followed the herd, but looked carefully and saw that Vietnam was flat plain stupid, and knew better than to go there. Do I honor your service? Yes. Do I honor what I believe to be sub-rational support of the status quo? No I don't - can't honor something I have always believed is bad for the nation's current health and future health.
EVERY male in my family from Samuel Osgood of Andover, who led a contingent of troops on that April morning in 1775 to support the militia at Lexington and Concord, up through my children (yep all my daughters served in active duty in uniform too), two grandsons and three granddaughters so far have served the country in uniform. Some of the Welsh and Irish members of the family had to claim to have been orphans - instead of telling the truth - they had sneaked in over the border, and were here illegally - so they could enlist to serve in the Spanish-American war and in WW1. That's why I enlisted, not because of what some half-wit right wing semi-intelligent yokel says about patriotism.
As for the blithering nonsense in Haggard's song - it was and will always be for people stupid enough to swallow that offal. As for c&w, I've never particularly cared for it, the first time I heard classical music and opera, I knew there could never be any comparison between the real stuff and all the various kinds of what's really just folk music. It's ok, but just like American Football will never equal Futbol, the folk stuff won't ever match the top level stuff. I have never had ever had any respect for the glorification of ignorant yokelhood that's so prevalent in the sub-median portion of our culture today. (Joe the not really a plumber, for example) Guess mom homeschooled me properly before she sent me off to the big city at age 12. Check out the music in CW McCalll's (William Dale Fries) famous DVD, San Juan Odyessy - Aaron Copeland - not c&w.