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Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 11:35 AM EST
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  You have to stand up and be heard by contacting your elected representatives.Tell them to preserve S.S. and Medicare and that you wont stand for any cuts in your COLA. I have sent countless letters to my representatives. My Democrat representatives have promiised to preserve both, but my Republican representative has said we need to reduce the COLA and that we cant afford to maintain our current S.S. and Medicare entitlements.Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a “Federal Benefit Payment.” This isn’t a benefit – its earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too.   It totaled 15% of our income before taxes. If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.   If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in socialsecurity ($375/month, including both your and your employer’s contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved! This is your personal investment .   Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month .   That’s almost three times more than today’s average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration (Google it - it’s a fact).   And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.   Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did. They took our money and used it elsewhere. They “forgot” that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn’t have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them.   And they didn’t pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently, they’ve told us that the money won’t support us for very much longer. But is it our fault they misused our investments?   And now, to add insult to injury, they’re calling it a “benefit,” as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. Just because they “borrowed” the money, doesn't mean that our investments were a charity! Let’s take a stand.   We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government! Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going, for the sake of that 92% of our population who need it.   Then call it what it is: Our Earned Retirement Income.
Posted by bdholmes

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST
Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
  You have to stand up and be heard by contacting your elected representatives.Tell them to preserve S.S. and Medicare and that you wont stand for any cuts in your COLA. I have sent countless letters to my representatives. My Democrat representatives have promiised to preserve both, but my Republican representative has said we need to reduce the COLA and that we cant afford to maintain our current S.S. and Medicare etitlements.Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security :
Posted by mandm84


Now, mandm84, you know that this person (that you are replying to) should understand that SS benefits are weighted towards those who put in the least.

For the poster figures to be anywhere near correct, he should understand that he or she does NOT get a direct credit for what they (and their employers) put into the system.

When we use to get that SS statement in the mail from them every year - I wondered how many people noticed that it was only their portion of the paid tax shown - the employers portion was never included.

This is NOT a Democrat or Republican issue, it is pure and simple, a numbers issue - where 2 + 2 doesn't = 4 but more like 10.

If we need to pay more into the system, why don't you want the emplyee health care benefits taxed like the "in lieu" of wages that they really are - we'd get more income tax revenues on these "in lieu" of wages benefits, more SS revenues and more Medicare revenues from employees and employers alike.

We already have SSI and Medicaid for the poor - I don't think you want to turn SS and Medicare into pure charity programs - by law, SS is an insurance program, not a retirement plan.  By law, Medicare is there for all who have been vested - however benefits can be manipulated & redefined for cost saving measures.

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 2:12 PM EST
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
  You have to stand up and be heard by contacting your elected representatives.Tell them to preserve S.S. and Medicare and that you wont stand for any cuts in your COLA. I have sent countless letters to my representatives. My Democrat representatives have promiised to preserve both, but my Republican representative has said we need to reduce the COLA and that we cant afford to maintain our current S.S. and Medicare etitlements.Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security :
Posted by mandm84


Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 2:52 PM EST
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
[QUOTE]The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a “Federal Benefit Payment.” This isn’t a benefit – its earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too.   It totaled 15% of our income before taxes. If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.   If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in socialsecurity ($375/month, including both your and your employer’s contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved! This is your personal investment .   Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month .   That’s almost three times more than today’s average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration (Google it - it’s a fact).   And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.   Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did. They took our money and used it elsewhere. They “forgot” that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn’t have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them.   And they didn’t pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently, they’ve told us that the money won’t support us for very much longer. But is it our fault they misused our investments?   And now, to add insult to injury, they’re calling it a “benefit,” as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. Just because they “borrowed” the money, doesn't mean that our investments were a charity! Let’s take a stand.   We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government! Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going, for the sake of that 92% of our population who need it.   Then call it what it is: Our Earned Retirement Income.
Posted by bdholmes[/QUOTE
]

Besides our contributions and our employer's contributions as a part of our wage-package....people forget it isn't really a savings account. and not meant to be fairly distributed where some people die before they even collect and some collect more when they live a  long time.   Overall, it has been the most successful program EVER.      

Nearly one in three beneficiaries of SOCIAL SECURITY are not retirees; such people receive disability benefits, 1% are aged, 56% disabled, and 31% disabled children often disabled for life, according to the Social Security Administration. 

IF the SS fund invested in the stock market this past decade...all these people would be in the creek without a paddle.  Then what if you lose your job... or your business isn't doing well..... or have a catastrophic illness or weather related event.....uhhuh-- well people did and had to use up their 401K.'s.....how well are they  going to be able to recover and save $$  remains to be seen and isn't it great at least they could count on SS  if republicans don't get their fingers on it. ?  .         
If they  reduce the outflow of Social Security, that money would not go into the general fund to reduce the deficit and that's a fACT.  .    IF they reduce the outflow of SS----more people will be on welfare/food stamps and how does that help ? 

The fund is okay for the next decades and no one can predict what our economy will be like at that time.   The pessimist of our society would certainly destroy lives of people right now by using fake stats to scare people.    

 

           

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 6:30 PM EST
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  Now Gail, I consider myself a compassionate human being and believe that its not right to ask for more from those who are already struggling to survive. The Social Security system has worked well for years until a Plutocratic ideology took form during the Bush Administration and all of a sudden our seniors, disabled and Veterans are too costly and we cant afford Social Security anymore.
 Corporate America doesn't like your " Numbers Issue " either, of having to preserve Social Security, it cuts into their " Greed and Profits". The Plutocrat Republicans in Congress would love to turn Social Security over to the Wall Street Pirates.  
   Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security : Now, mandm84, you know that this person (that you are replying to) should understand that SS benefits are weighted towards those who put in the least. For the poster figures to be anywhere near correct, he should understand that he or she does NOT get a direct credit for what they (and their employers) put into the system. When we use to get that SS statement in the mail from them every year - I wondered how many people noticed that it was only their portion of the paid tax shown - the employers portion was never included. This is NOT a Democrat or Republican issue, it is pure and simple, a numbers issue - where 2 + 2 doesn't = 4 but more like 10. If we need to pay more into the system, why don't you want the emplyee health care benefits taxed like the "in lieu" of wages that they really are - we'd get more income tax revenues on these "in lieu" of wages benefits, more SS revenues and more Medicare revenues from employees and employers alike. We already have SSI and Medicaid for the poor - I don't think you want to turn SS and Medicare into pure charity programs - by law, SS is an insurance program, not a retirement plan.  By law, Medicare is there for all who have been vested - however benefits can be manipulated & redefined for cost saving measures.
Posted by GailL1

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 17, 2012 7:01 PM EST
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  Republican Speaker Boehner recently stated he would accept a tax rate hike for those making over $1 Million dollars per year, BUT he is asking for $1 Trillion dollars in cuts to our Medicare/ Medicaid and cutting our yearly Social Security cost of living increases. How much more will you have  to pay for healthcare, with $1 trillion less in coverage and can you survive without a cost of living increase ???
   I knew the Republicans   in Congress would ask our struggling seniors, disabled and Veterans to struggle even more with less, while protecting the wealthy first and foremost. Contact your representatives and tell them NO to cuts in our healthcare and NO to cuts in our Social Security cost of living adjustment ( COLA )..Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
  Now Gail, I consider myself a compassionate human being and believe that its not right to ask for more from those who are already struggling to survive. The Social Security system has worked well for years until a Plutocratic ideology took form during the Bush Administration and all of a sudden our seniors, disabled and Veterans are too costly and we cant afford Social Security anymore.  Corporate America doesn't like your " Numbers Issue " either, of having to preserve Social Security, it cuts into their " Greed and Profits". The Plutocrat Republicans in Congress would love to turn Social Security over to the Wall Street Pirates.      Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security :
Posted by mandm84

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 18, 2012 10:06 PM EST
Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
  Republican Speaker Boehner recently stated he would accept a tax rate hike for those making over $1 Million dollars per year, BUT he is asking for $1 Trillion dollars in cuts to our Medicare/ Medicaid and cutting our yearly Social Security cost of living increases. How much more will you have  to pay for healthcare, with $1 trillion less in coverage and can you survive without a cost of living increase ???    I knew the Republicans   in Congress would ask our struggling seniors, disabled and Veterans to struggle even more with less, while protecting the wealthy first and foremost. Contact your representatives and tell them NO to cuts in our healthcare and NO to cuts in our Social Security cost of living adjustment ( COLA )..Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security :
Posted by mandm84


I believe that you have it confused - President Obama's plan offers up the chained CPI method of computing COLA.
The method used to calculate it is designed by the BLS and it affects a whole lot more than just COLA for SS, disabled Veterans.

HuffPost Politics 12/18/2012:  Nancy Pelosi Predicts 'Democrats Will Stick With The President' On Fiscal Cliff Deal

WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is convinced her fellow Democrats will get behind the White House's latest "fiscal cliff" deal that cuts Social Security benefits and increases taxes on the middle class. . . .

President Barack Obama's latest offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations would allow the payroll tax holiday to expire, meaning middle-class workers will see smaller paychecks in 2013. It also proposes a Social Security reform known as "chained CPI" that would reduce the benefits senior citizens receive through Social Security.

Additionally, Obama's latest offer would permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes of less than $400,000. Previously, the president had insisted that taxes increase on families with income above $250,000.

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 19, 2012 5:33 PM EST
Posts: 14591
First: January 28, 2008
Last: May 23, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security :
The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a “Federal Benefit Payment.” This isn’t a benefit – its earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too.   It totaled 15% of our income before taxes. If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.   If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in socialsecurity ($375/month, including both your and your employer’s contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved! This is your personal investment .   Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month .   That’s almost three times more than today’s average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration (Google it - it’s a fact).   And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.   Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did. They took our money and used it elsewhere. They “forgot” that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn’t have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them.   And they didn’t pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently, they’ve told us that the money won’t support us for very much longer. But is it our fault they misused our investments?   And now, to add insult to injury, they’re calling it a “benefit,” as if we never worked to earn every penny of it. Just because they “borrowed” the money, doesn't mean that our investments were a charity! Let’s take a stand.   We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government! Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going, for the sake of that 92% of our population who need it.   Then call it what it is: Our Earned Retirement Income. Posted by bdholmes[/QUOTE ] Besides our contributions and our employer's contributions as a part of our wage-package....people forget it isn't really a savings account. and not meant to be fairly distributed where some people die before they even collect and some collect more when they live a  long time.   Overall, it has been the most successful program EVER.       Nearly one in three beneficiaries of SOCIAL SECURITY are not retirees; such people receive disability benefits, 1% are aged, 56% disabled, and 31% disabled children often disabled for life, according to the Social Security Administration.  IF the SS fund invested in the stock market this past decade...all these people would be in the creek without a paddle.  Then what if you lose your job... or your business isn't doing well..... or have a catastrophic illness or weather related event.....uhhuh-- well people did and had to use up their 401K.'s.....how well are they  going to be able to recover and save $$  remains to be seen and isn't it great at least they could count on SS  if republicans don't get their fingers on it. ?  .          If they  reduce the outflow of Social Security, that money would not go into the general fund to reduce the deficit and that's a fACT.  .    IF they reduce the outflow of SS----more people will be on welfare/food stamps and how does that help ?  The fund is okay for the next decades and no one can predict what our economy will be like at that time.   The pessimist of our society would certainly destroy lives of people right now by using fake stats to scare people.                  
Posted by JANMB

SS  has two parts. One is the OA benefit annuity and the other is really welfare like SSDI ,children's benefits etc. that are needed. If the SS budget only included the first part no changes would be needede because FICA wopuld cover the cost. The second part is needed, but should really be paid for from ALL revenue sources not just workers and businesses as FICA.  Increasing FICA taxes makes our production less competitive with places that don't tax businesses the way we do and loses jobs here.
Karl.  

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 20, 2012 1:15 PM EST
Posts: 1
First: December 20, 2012
Last: December 20, 2012
Just a  thought. Has any one considered how much ssa could save if the $250 death benefit could be limited to those who truly need it?

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at December 20, 2012 1:59 PM EST
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  Good thought commonerssense. I would waive mine and if just 25% of us did, How many Billions are we looking at. It's a start. Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
Just a  thought. Has any one considered how much ssa could save if the $250 death benefit could be limited to those who truly need it?
Posted by commonerssense
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