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Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 17, 2012 10:01 PM EST
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A contributor above indicated that Social Security funds had been borrowed occasionally in the past and had not been paid back.  FACT: Since World War II, Social Security funds have been "borrowed" or diverted to other uses and NEVER HAS EVEN ONE OF THOSE DIVERSIONS OF SSS MONIES BEEN PAID BACK INTO THE COFFERS OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
This needs addressed by the Representatives and Senators we elect.
  If all funds borrowed from Social Security were paid back, with interest, Social Security could continue another decade or more longer than is now predicted.

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 18, 2012 11:14 AM EST
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First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
A contributor above indicated that Social Security funds had been borrowed occasionally in the past and had not been paid back.  FACT: Since World War II, Social Security funds have been "borrowed" or diverted to other uses and NEVER HAS EVEN ONE OF THOSE DIVERSIONS OF SSS MONIES BEEN PAID BACK INTO THE COFFERS OF SOCIAL SECURITY. This needs addressed by the Representatives and Senators we elect.   If all funds borrowed from Social Security were paid back, with interest, Social Security could continue another decade or more longer than is now predicted.
Posted by yhboman


Simply put . . . . . even though SS money is not sitting in a lock box somewhere, the funds are still there - sitting in U.S. Treasuries with the Federal Reserve.  The holders (us) of the Social Security funds are investors in the U.S. debt just like China.  So if you believe in America and its ability to make good these treasury bills when they mature, then the SS funds are as safe there as anywhere.

The problem with Social Security is not where the funds are residing at present  - the PROBLEM is that based on the forecast of benefits to be paid out in future years, according to the current Congressional Budget Office figures, funds would be in danger of having reduced benefits beginning in 2036.  In other words, in 2036, benefits would be reduced about 20 - 25% if nothing is done now to shore up the fund for future beneficiaries.

In the 80's, we had to shore up the fund for beneficiaries of today - Reagan did this by a number of measures - increasing the payroll deduction, pulling federal workers into the program, giving states the option of putting their workers into the program, making husband/wives pay payroll tax when one was employed by the other.  He tweaked the rules so that more money was coming into the program 25 - 30 years ago so that our benefits today were secure.

Tweaking has to be done again to give future beneficiaries their full benefit.  This could be a tweak of the current manner or it could be a major overhaul.  There are many ways being investigated to remedy the situation but NO action has been taken thus far and something has to be done soon because changes do not take affect overnight - it takes years to build up the fund to appropriate forecasted levels.

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 18, 2012 5:01 PM EST
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My biggest concern about Social Security is where does the money go after someone dies BEFORE collecting their Social Security. My husband and 21 year old son passed in 2010. I am a 61 year old school teacher (state employee) who has not had a raise in 4 years. I make too much money to collect any of my husband's Social Security but I was left to continue with a 2 income way of life on one income. (morgage, house insurance and taxes, electric, etc.) If Social security is a retirement fund, then that retirement which was earned by the deceased should go to the survivors. Social Security was started to help womwn who didn't work to continue if the husband passed. Many women now work and therfore the household depends on 2 incomes. (As do men who may loose their wives) Why isn't this issue being raised?

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 18, 2012 8:09 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Share your fears about Social Security:
My biggest concern about Social Security is where does the money go after someone dies BEFORE collecting their Social Security. My husband and 21 year old son passed in 2010. I am a 61 year old school teacher (state employee) who has not had a raise in 4 years. I make too much money to collect any of my husband's Social Security but I was left to continue with a 2 income way of life on one income. (morgage, house insurance and taxes, electric, etc.) If Social security is a retirement fund, then that retirement which was earned by the deceased should go to the survivors. Social Security was started to help womwn who didn't work to continue if the husband passed. Many women now work and therfore the household depends on 2 incomes. (As do men who may loose their wives) Why isn't this issue being raised?
Posted by winvid


winvid,
It really is NOT a retirement fund - it is an insurance fund - so that those who climb in age after a working career are not completely destitute.

I am sorry about your recent loss of your husband and your son.  As far as the Sociual Security benefits that they left behind - Social Security benefits are earned individually during our working years.  It is true that the part of the fund for survivors and dependents pays out if the survivng spouse did not work or if there were still minor children to be looked after.

However, I see situations everyday where two married people, both retired and drawing their respective SS benefits, have all the expenses that you mentioned and then one of them dies, cutting the SS benefit received pretty much in-half.  That is why SS should NOT be considered as a "retirement" and other retirement savings (401K, IRA, Roth, etc.)
should be made during our working career in addition to adequate life insurnance to help out the loved ones that we leave behind.

You should check with SSA again after you retire to see how the benefits (yours or his) works out for the best for you.

If you like the idea of making SS an "individual" account, then you should look more into the Repulican plan of doing this for current young workers.  It is too late for us; we have the system as it stands today.

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 20, 2012 9:46 AM EST
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First: September 8, 2011
Last: June 15, 2012
 Hi,  I'm just wondering how Republicans really view the older Americans and the lower income class.Why are they so set on stopping Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Low Income programs. They have plenty to say how to use these to pay for the debt that Bush created by lending from China for the war. I think that all those companies that were aided by not regulating Wall Street with our current laws should be made to bring us out of this setback in our economy. We are not stupid. It doesn't take much for the Republican Congress to take it away from us but do you think if someone brought up taking it back from Wall Street they would even consider it ? Lets see a so called Republican debate that considers us ( All Americans) instead of their Republican Politics. The two parties should listen not only To "WE the OLDER Voters" but also with age "We the Wiser Voters".

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 26, 2012 12:14 PM EST
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First: January 9, 2012
Last: April 2, 2012

It only takes a few minutes to educate them,The kids I main-not the politicians.But you need to talk to both. This is a copy of my conversation with the kids. I think they understood, do you think the politicians will?

Senator Udall

Congressman Gardner

Gentlemen greetings:

I would like to thank both of you for responding to my communications.  It's nice to know that you and your staff take time to read and respond to all emails and letters you receive. 

I like to take another moment of your time to make you aware of yet another concern, not just mine, but all seniors all across America.  Recently I had a conversation with some high school students, who took the President's class envy warfare rhetoric to the next level.  They can’t understand how people, who accumulated as much wealth as Warren Buffett, could pay fewer taxes than their secretaries.  I tried to explain that during the accumulation phase, these people (the rich) pay income tax like the rest of us do.  People like Mr. Buffett then invest money and then take it from the investments under a different tax rate.  If they (the students), earn money and invest it, then someday they themselves will take income as capital gains.  At that time hopefully, the capital gains rate will still be low.  I further explained that their parents and maybe their grandparents are living off of their investments now, and did they want taxes raised on people who are just barely getting by?  This brought up the subject of entitlements. (This for me is no better than a four letter word.) I explained to these young people that Social Security (although it has become a Ponzi scheme, it was never meant to be.) It's unbelievable/unreasonable how the word entitlement gets twisted around in Washington.  But at this time these young people see Social Security as a burden on society.  They believe they will be paying taxes so that the government can pay old people who are no longer productive.  This, by itself is a dangerous thought to have in the minds of the next generation of potential leaders.  I attempted to give them a different definition of entitlement.  That I, once Social Security was enacted, no one was given the opportunity to opt out of it.  The money that was collected from everyone's paycheck in the form of Social Security taxes.  With the promise from our government that the money would be put in a fund, allowed to grow over time, and at a future date and time(set by the same government) we would then receive payment out of the Social Security Fund in a prescribed manner/and amount, that was set forth by the Social Security Act.  Yes, now that I've reached that age I am entitled to receive the promise that my government made. (That is a simple return on my investment with interest).  Social Security has always been an investment based government program.  A program that was enacted by Washington and overseen by Congress and the Senate, it may now need some adjustments to continue because it has been mismanaged, and has become a Ponzi scheme.  I also explain to these young people that Medicare is a premium based program for seniors.  One pays premiums into the program through tax collection over there working lifetime and continue to pay premiums for the remainder of their lifetime.

I'm not sure if I've ever heard either of you gentlemen use these references.  But the people who do are intentionally or unintentionally advancing a dangerous message for America’s future. 

One of the more astute students asked me, if Social Security was the law, and if the law has been broken then why is it that politicians aren’t sharing a cell with Bernie Madoff?

Help me out!  I don’t have an answer for that.

Thank you for your time.

From one concerned citizen.

Robert Smith

Re: Share your fears about Social Security

posted at February 28, 2012 3:39 PM EST
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My fear is that the longer our elected representatives drag their feet on making necessary changes to the Social Security System the greater the liklihood that benefits will be reduced to those of us who have paid into the system and who are depending on their SS benefit.  My retirement age was increased well before I retired and I was forced to make different plans to allow for the change.  Changes must be made now in the same way so those people who are still working can make plans to adjust to a new system whatever that will have to be.  Doing nothing until we are in a crisis is not the answer.
 

5.5 % tax proposed on Medical Adult Day care in Maryland

posted at February 29, 2012 8:45 PM EST
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First: February 29, 2012
Last: February 29, 2012
Write your Legislators and ask them to 
vote NO to

 the tax contained in SB152/HB87(BRFA) Medical adult day care provider tax.
The proposed increase in in Maryland but could be only the first state!  The alternative to having a loved one in Adult day care is nursing home care.

Thank you!
 From a nurse and daughter of a day care participant

Medicare and Social Security

posted at March 7, 2012 2:06 PM EST
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First: March 7, 2012
Last: March 7, 2012
The Corporate World has reduced or eliminated pensions that our parents were able to count on when they were no longer able to work. If we can't count on Medicare for our health needs and Social Security to pay for our rent, utilities food, etc. then what becomes of us? I'm not looking for a life of luxury. I just want a life without constant worry about my basic financial needs!

Re: Medicare and Social Security

posted at March 7, 2012 9:34 PM EST
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In Response to Medicare and Social Security:
The Corporate World has reduced or eliminated pensions that our parents were able to count on when they were no longer able to work. If we can't count on Medicare for our health needs and Social Security to pay for our rent, utilities food, etc. then what becomes of us? I'm not looking for a life of luxury. I just want a life without constant worry about my basic financial needs!
Posted by judyleemoore

So you have NO other savings to help you get by from day to day, month to month, year to year?
Social Security was not designed as a retirement fund; only an insurance fund so as older people are not completely penniless.
I guess my generation is the 1st to be using their IRA contributions through the years.
You're still renting?  What happens if the landlord decides to go up on rent? 
What happens if you need something that Medicare (or Medicare optional coverage) does not cover?  Dental work or hearing aids, even a change in vison where you might need different or new glasses?
Preparing for old age seems like something everybody should be doing.
Did you have a plan that just didn't work out?
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