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I can get U.S. Social Security Benefits as a foreigner because I worked 1 1/2 years in your country :)
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How is this possible? Yes folks, as a foreigner, all I have to do is work 1 1/2 years in the United States in order to qualify for permanent U.S. retirement AND disability benefits. Sure I am not goin
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I can get U.S. Social Security Benefits as a foreigner because I worked 1 1/2 years in your country :)

posted at April 6, 2012 10:50 PM EDT
Posts: 20
First: January 18, 2012
Last: August 19, 2012
How is this possible? Yes folks, as a foreigner, all I have to do is work 1 1/2 years in the United States in order to qualify for permanent U.S. retirement AND disability benefits. Sure I am not going to get a huge check but $600 to $800 per month goes a long way in my country. What is incredible is that Americans are too stupid to do anything about it and don't care, and hey you know what else? Yes my wife also qualifies for spouse's benefits so she gets about 1/2 of what I get from U.S. Social Security benefits, she gets that on top of what I receive. What an incredible cash cow the U.S. and how generous it is to us foreigners. Thank you Americans for not paying attention what federal agencies or law makers are doing. I hear the Social Security Administration, Office of International Programs is conducting negotiations in 2012 to add more countries. I am wondering if I should adopt some of my nieces and nephews.... hmm maybe they could get benefits as my dependents, U.S. law allows this no? :) of course it does, it's America. Cool

Re: I can get U.S. Social Security Benefits as a foreigner because I worked 1 1/2 years in your country :)

posted at April 6, 2012 10:58 PM EDT
Posts: 20
First: January 18, 2012
Last: August 19, 2012

SOCIAL SECURITY

Proposed Totalization Agreement with Mexico Presents Unique Challenges
What the US General Accounting Office (GAO) Reported:

SSA has no written policies or procedures it follows when entering into totalization agreements, and the actions it took to assess the integrity and compatibility of Mexico’s social security system were limited and neither transparent nor well-documented. SSA followed the same procedures for the proposed Mexican agreement that it used in all prior agreements. SSA officials told GAO that they briefly toured Mexican facilities, observed how its automated systems functioned, and identified the type of data maintained on Mexican workers. However, SSA provided no information showing that it assessed the reliability of Mexican earnings data and the internal controls used to ensure the integrity of information that SSA will rely on to pay social security benefits.

The proposed agreement will likely increase the number of unauthorized Mexican workers and family members eligible for social security benefits. Mexican workers who ordinarily could not receive social security retirement benefits because they lack the required 40 coverage credits for U.S. earnings could qualify for partial social security benefits with as few as 6 coverage credits. In addition, under the proposed agreement, more family members of covered Mexican workers would become newly entitled because the agreements usually waive rules that prevent payments to noncitizens’ dependents and survivors living outside the United States.

The cost of such an agreement is highly uncertain. In March 2003, the Office of the Chief Actuary estimated that the cost of the Mexican agreement would be $78 million in the first year and would grow to $650 million (in constant 2002 dollars) in 2050. The actuarial cost estimate assumes the initial number of newly eligible Mexican beneficiaries is equivalent to the 50,000 beneficiaries living in Mexico today and would grow sixfold over time. However, this proxy figure does not directly consider the estimated millions of current and former unauthorized workers and family members from Mexico and appears small in comparison with those estimates. The estimate also inherently assumes that the behavior of Mexican citizens would not change and does not recognize that an agreement would create an additional incentive for unauthorized workers to enter the United States to work and maintain documentation to claim their earnings under a false identity. Although the actuarial estimate indicates that the agreement would not generate a measurable long-term impact on the actuarial balance of the trust funds, a subsequent sensitivity analysis performed at GAO’s request shows that a measurable impact would occur with an increase of more than 25 percent in the estimate of initial, new beneficiaries. For prior agreements, error rates associated with estimating the expected number of new beneficiaries have frequently exceeded 25 percent, even in cases where uncertainties about the number of unauthorized workers were less prevalent. Because of the significant number of unauthorized Mexican workers in the United States, the estimated cost of the proposed totalization agreement is even more uncertain than in prior agreements. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03993.pdf

Re: I can get U.S. Social Security Benefits as a foreigner because I worked 1 1/2 years in your country :)

posted at April 6, 2012 11:08 PM EDT
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First: January 18, 2012
Last: August 19, 2012
Why isn't AARP doing anything? Why aren't you doing anything? Have you told or discussed this important matter with anyone? Start today! Write letters to congress, express your outrage! This should be part of the news. We all must work together people. It's our country, our leaders should represent us, let's vote people that do good work for us Americans and save what America is supposed to be.

Read what the Seniors League has been doing with this, and notice how they point out this BIG issue has been "washed down" and it continues to be out of the spot light.

Totalization Agreements
http://seniorsleague.org/issues/totalization-agreement/

Social Security Totalization Agreements are designed so that workers and their employers would not be subject to double taxation, owing payroll taxes to both the country in which they work, and their home nation. In addition, totalization agreements allow workers to earn generic work credits good for receiving retirement benefits in either country. These credits from the United States and other countries can be totaled together to receive benefits. The U.S. currently has 24 totalization agreements with other nations, most having economies similar to our own.

The U.S. – Mexico Totalization Agreement—which was signed by the Social Security Administrations of both the U.S. and Mexico in 2004, and is due to undergo review by the current or future President(s)—continues to pose a threat to Social Security beneficiaries. Because of a loophole, if the President signs the final Executive Totalization Social Security Agreement with Mexico, it could lead to Social Security benefits going to individuals who worked in the U.S. while illegal.

Despite the efforts of TSCL and others, knowledge of the U.S – Mexico Totalization Agreement remains limited on Capitol Hill, and the issue flies under radar for the most part. TSCL has expressed its support for resolutions in opposition to the totalization agreement. In addition, TSCL is supportive of legislation, such as the Social Security Totalization Agreement Reform Act, which would grant more time for congressional review of these agreements. TSCL also supports loophole-closing legislation which would prevent individuals who worked in the U.S. while illegal from receiving credit for that work for purposes of Social Security benefit calculations.

TSCL has filed three lawsuits under the Freedom of Information Act requesting copies of the agreement and other information and has placed ads in The Washington Times in opposition to the proposed agreement. We will continue to closely monitor the totalization matter.

Re: I can get U.S. Social Security Benefits as a foreigner because I worked 1 1/2 years in your country :)

posted at April 6, 2012 11:21 PM EDT
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First: January 18, 2012
Last: August 19, 2012

In the mean time in additon to this going on in one agency, others are running amock with our money, living it up, laughing it up, even going as far as making videos during work ours laughing at how easy it is to spend money and how lacking the regulations are. Don't take my word for it, read for yourself. And if it's happening in one place, you KNOW it is also very much happening at other places too, probably even worse... Nobody cares. While we get taxed more and more, we lose our jobs, our home values, our families.... our country is falling to pieces, our soldiers are dying overseas....

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/935/2816673/House-probes-400K-GSA-awards-program

Between 2007 and 2010, the agency spent $438,750 on "lavish gifts," according to a release from Mica and Denham's office. The average gift per buildings service employee was $328 in fiscal-year 2009, which far outstrips a $99 limit set by the agency.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/935/2816852/GSA-conference-video-pokes-fun-at-spending-IG

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee posted what it says is video from an awards ceremony at the October 2010 Western Region Conference along with a music video created by a GSA employee that pokes fun at, among other things, GSA spending and inspector general investigations.

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