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I think AARP has a reponsibility to let potential retirees know that Social Security payments total the same amount of dollars thru age 77 regardless of what age retirees start taking benefits. This f
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What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at October 26, 2012 11:38 AM EDT
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First: October 26, 2012
Last: October 26, 2012
I think AARP has a reponsibility to let potential retirees know that Social Security payments total the same amount of dollars thru age 77 regardless of what age retirees start taking benefits. This fact may help someone decide when it is best for them to begin taking SS payments.
Bruce Peters

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at November 13, 2012 8:34 AM EST
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First: November 13, 2012
Last: November 18, 2012
When I crunched my own numbers...I found that to be true up until FRA. At 77, the money is basically same regardless of when you start your benefits.

After FRA, for me at least, it took longer to reach the "break even" point. If I don't start taking my benefit until age 70, I don't break even until 80! Now, if I live to be 90, I will come out $150,000 ahead. But that, of course, that is unlikely to happen.

The take home message should be crunch your own numbers and decide what's best for you...

John S.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at November 18, 2012 10:01 AM EST
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First: November 13, 2012
Last: November 18, 2012

I found an interesting article on MarketWatch that speaks to the other side of the issue that I think is worth a read:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/social-security-break-even-calculators-mislead-2012-11-13

And here is the abstract to an article that speaks to when to take benefits even if you aren't in good health:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101957

When Does it Pay to Delay Social Security? The Impact of Mortality, Interest Rates, and Program Rules


Stanford University - Department of Economics; National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER)

Sita N. Slavov


Occidental College - Department of Economics

July 2012


NBER Working Paper No. w18210

Abstract:     
Social Security benefits may be commenced at any time between ages 62 and 70. As individuals who claim later can, on average, expect to receive benefits for a shorter period, an actuarial adjustment is made to the monthly benefit to reflect the age at which benefits are claimed. In earlier work (Shoven and Slavov, 2012), we investigated the actuarial fairness of this adjustment for individuals with average life expectancy for their cohort. We found that for current real interest rates, delaying is actuarially advantageous for a large subset of people, particularly for primary earners in married couples. In this paper, we quantify the degree of actuarial advantage or disadvantage for individuals whose mortality differs from the average. We find that at real interest rates close to zero, most households – even those with mortality rates that are twice the average – benefit from some delay, at least for the primary earner. At real interest rates closer to their historical average, however, singles with mortality that is substantially greater than average do not benefit from delay; however, primary earners with high mortality can still improve the present value of the household’s benefits through delay. We also investigate the extent to which the actuarial advantage of delay has grown since the early 1960s, when the choice of when to claim first became available, and we decompose this growth into three effects: (1) the effect of changes in Social Security's rules, (2) the effect of changes in the real interest rate, and (3) the effect of changes in life expectancy.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at November 19, 2012 12:21 AM EST
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First: November 19, 2012
Last: November 24, 2012
In Response to What AARP is not telling you about SS payments:
Actually it is closer to average life expectancy in America.  Break-even is around 82 1/2 for 2012 numbers.  That number can and will change through indexing, etc.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at November 19, 2012 12:29 AM EST
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First: November 19, 2012
Last: November 24, 2012
In Response to Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments:
Some other things to consider if deciding "when" to take SS.  If you delay, the starting benefit base will be higher, but so will ALL future COLA's.  Thus, not only do you get a higher payment to start with, but you also get future increases based on this higher starting point.  This can have a huge impact over a long retirement.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at November 19, 2012 9:43 AM EST
Posts: 153
First: February 12, 2012
Last: April 26, 2013
For many seniors, the Social Security system is too complicated. And, the fact that they now call it an entitlement, really gets my goat! If they are calling it that , then let;s get the deduction for all that "tax " money we, and our employers put into Social Security for many years!!!!!

SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT'/ENTITLEMENT!

Have you noticed, your Social Security check is now referred to as a "Federal
Benefit Payment"?

I'll be part of the one percent to forward this.

I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you.

Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it.

The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a “Federal
Benefit Payment.”  This isn’t a benefit – its earned income!
Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too.

It totaled 15% of our income before taxes. If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security.

If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in social security
($375/month, including both your and your employer’s contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved! This is your personal investment.

Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per
year, or $3,277 per month.

That’s almost three times more than today’s average Social Security benefit of
$1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration (Google it - it’s a fact).

And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you
retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts.

Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie
Madoff ever did. They took our money and used it elsewhere. They “forgot” that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn’t have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them.

And they didn’t pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently, they’ve told us that the money won’t support us for very much longer. But is it our fault they misused our investments?

And now, to add insult to injury, they’re calling it a “benefit,” as if we never
worked to earn every penny of it.  Just because they “borrowed” the money, doesn't mean that our investments were a charity! Let’s take a stand.

We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government –

Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going, for the sake of that 92%
of our population who need it.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments - we do we sign up to fight the fight

posted at November 19, 2012 4:18 PM EST
Posts: 19
First: January 3, 2012
Last: March 4, 2013
Where do we sign up to let these jerks in Washington know er are on to them? You are so correct..this is not a benefit, we contributed
All of our working lives or ths.....and thanks to Ronald Reagan, who decided to take s/s monies and throw it into the general frnd, those bas---des in d.c. Have been stealing our money leaving behind a drawerful of I.O.U.'s. add to that George bush & cronies thought up the " doughnut hole" for drug coverage. I think they are waiting & hoping us baby boomers just die off........and why sn't AARP helping us fight the fight....my dad, who has passed, used to say" you kids better keep an eye on those s.o.b.s in Washington cause they are stealing from us old people" I was young & stupid and thought noway would our government steal from us!!!!! Well now I am one of the "old people" and they are/ have been stealing for years. 43 years of contributions, full time, not counting part time high school & college employment.......lets stand up for our right...this I not a benefit or an entitlement it is what is due those who contributed( and the spouses,kids) of these workers......fight fight. Fight

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at January 14, 2013 8:43 PM EST
Posts: 2
First: January 14, 2013
Last: January 14, 2013

"We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government"

How can they bring any sense into government without us voting for some people that have some sense.

Most of them are greety and corrupt theives, stealing from us for themselves and their friends. How can we know who to vote for. Not for the present greedy corrupt bunch that are in there now.

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at January 29, 2013 12:38 AM EST
Posts: 3020
First: March 2, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments:
For many seniors, the Social Security system is too complicated. And, the fact that they now call it an entitlement, really gets my goat! If they are calling it that , then let;s get the deduction for all that "tax " money we, and our employers put into Social Security for many years!!!!! SOCIAL SECURITY NOW CALLED 'FEDERAL BENEFIT PAYMENT'/ENTITLEMENT ! Have you noticed, your Social Security check is now referred to as a "Federal Benefit Payment"? I'll be part of the one percent to forward this. I am forwarding it because it touches a nerve in me, and I hope it will in you. Please keep passing it on until everyone in our country has read it. The government is now referring to our Social Security checks as a “Federal Benefit Payment.”  This isn’t a benefit – its earned income! Not only did we all contribute to Social Security but our employers did too. It totaled 15% of our income before taxes. If you averaged $30K per year over your working life, that's close to $180,000 invested in Social Security. If you calculate the future value of your monthly investment in social security ($375/month, including both your and your employer’s contributions) at a meager 1% interest rate compounded monthly, after 40 years of working you'd have more than $1.3+ million dollars saved! This is your personal investment. Upon retirement, if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $39,318 per year, or $3,277 per month. That’s almost three times more than today’s average Social Security benefit of $1,230 per month, according to the Social Security Administration (Google it - it’s a fact). And your retirement fund would last more than 33 years (until you're 98 if you retire at age 65)! I can only imagine how much better most average-income people could live in retirement if our government had just invested our money in low-risk interest-earning accounts. Instead, the folks in Washington pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did. They took our money and used it elsewhere. They “forgot” that it was OUR money they were taking. They didn’t have a referendum to ask us if we wanted to lend the money to them. And they didn’t pay interest on the debt they assumed. And recently, they’ve told us that the money won’t support us for very much longer. But is it our fault they misused our investments? And now, to add insult to injury, they’re calling it a “benefit,” as if we never worked to earn every penny of it.  Just because they “borrowed” the money, doesn't mean that our investments were a charity! Let’s take a stand. We have earned our right to Social Security and Medicare. Demand that our legislators bring some sense into our government – Find a way to keep Social Security and Medicare going, for the sake of that 92% of our population who need it.
Posted by louisie

I think most of us don't understand SS and Medicare except that these are 2 insurance and social programs that most of us couldn't do without. We really don't understand how SS is now suddenly going "bankrupt" except that the politicians have been dipping into it. How are people to survive who don't have pensions or hefty retirement savings? As for Medicare, which my husband and I have just gotten on last year, I don't consider it an "entitlement" as we're paying about $600 a month beyond the taxes that we pay for Medicare Part A as we're still working part-time as seniors. It's the politicians who haven't properly funded these programs. Now, if we were paying that $600+ a month for private insurance, which is affordable, there wouldn't be an outcry from the Republicans. Yet, we know that no private insurance company would ever offer that to us. I'm tired of these programs being called "entitlements" as the politicians never call their taxpayer-sponsored pensions, health insurance and benefits "entitlements". This is ironic because they can afford their own health insurance and pensions. Instead of privatizing our own "entitlements', why don't they give up their own?

Re: What AARP is not telling you about SS payments

posted at January 29, 2013 1:51 PM EST
Posts: 57
First: May 26, 2012
Last: May 14, 2013
IF....you truly think Social Security should be preserved as a function of government for the benefit of the People.....THEN you should consider using information only from credible sources.  One such source is the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, 10 G Street, Suite 600 -Washington DC 20002-42115     1-800-966-1935   www.ncpssm.org

'course.....hard data won't satisy the agenda the ponzi scheme addicts bought into......but rational people will find it useful. 
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