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Welfare Spending
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Federal welfare spending exceeded $1Trillion. Before any of you obama apologists reply, NO this does not include SS, Medicare or veteran benefits. It's only the money that's being doled out to people
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Welfare Spending
posted at October 18, 2012 6:51 PM EDT
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Federal welfare spending exceeded $1Trillion. Before any of you obama apologists reply, NO this does not include SS, Medicare or veteran benefits. It's only the money that's being doled out to people that never earned it, through 80 various federal programs ostensibly to get the recipients to vote democrat. |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 19, 2012 1:47 AM EDT
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In Response to Welfare Spending: Federal welfare spending exceeded $1Trillion. Before any of you obama apologists reply, NO this does not include SS, Medicare or veteran benefits. It's only the money that's being doled out to people that never earned it, through 80 various federal programs ostensibly to get the recipients to vote democrat. Posted by Labrat64 Yes, I'm an independent who lives in Chicago, and I see the amount of money being spent on federal programs for irresponsible people that haven't worked. For years, it's frustrated me as I've seen a lot of money being spent on single mothers who can't support their children, school and work programs that don't work and more programs to help communities fight gangs. We all know that it comes down to personal responsibility. It's all about parents raising their children while they, themselves, are role models. As a landlord, I've rented to "deadbeats" who bring nothing more than grief. However, in the last decade, we've seen a large number of responsible and hard-working people who have lost their jobs due to the Bush recession which outsourced jobs in record numbers for profits or for cheap labor overseas. Many of these people were Middle class, but lost their earning power and savings through unemployment. All that it took was a year of unemployment in a good job where they lost their health insurance, their savings after the market crash in 2008 and an inability to pay a mortgage. Many were forced into taking jobs that paid much less than what they had been making, so they eventually lost their homes. More Middle class people are showing up at food pantries and at free health care clinics because they're desperate. It's especially disturbing for older working adults over age 50 who have lost a good job that they worked at for years. Because of age, they find themselves working for lower wages and going without health insurance. Any medical crisis can send them into bankruptcy where they lose everything. Today, those living in poverty aren't the same as those living irresponsible lives. |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 19, 2012 9:28 AM EDT
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Mea culpa. I have to agree. There should always be a safety net for those that have fallen. I just resent those that are irresponsible and expect the government to back them up. Response to Re: Welfare Spending: In Response to Welfare Spending : Yes, I'm an independent who lives in Chicago, and I see the amount of money being spent on federal programs for irresponsible people that haven't worked. For years, it's frustrated me as I've seen a lot of money being spent on single mothers who can't support their children, school and work programs that don't work and more programs to help communities fight gangs. We all know that it comes down to personal responsibility. It's all about parents raising their children while they, themselves, are role models. As a landlord, I've rented to "deadbeats" who bring nothing more than grief. However, in the last decade, we've seen a large number of responsible and hard-working people who have lost their jobs due to the Bush recession which outsourced jobs in record numbers for profits or for cheap labor overseas. Many of these people were Middle class, but lost their earning power and savings through unemployment. All that it took was a year of unemployment in a good job where they lost their health insurance, their savings after the market crash in 2008 and an inability to pay a mortgage. Many were forced into taking jobs that paid much less than what they had been making, so they eventually lost their homes. More Middle class people are showing up at food pantries and at free health care clinics because they're desperate. It's especially disturbing for older working adults over age 50 who have lost a good job that they worked at for years. Because of age, they find themselves working for lower wages and going without health insurance. Any medical crisis can send them into bankruptcy where they lose everything. Today, those living in poverty aren't the same as those living irresponsible lives. Posted by intersan |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 19, 2012 10:56 AM EDT
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You should resent the wasteful processes of big business more, they are the ones dragging our country down not the poor as they are making you bellieve. In Response to Re: Welfare Spending: Mea culpa. I have to agree. There should always be a safety net for those that have fallen. I just resent those that are irresponsible and expect the government to back them up. Response to Re: Welfare Spending : Posted by Labrat64 |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 20, 2012 3:07 PM EDT
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We need to help orphans, disabled, and injured veterans. For single mothers, we should provide low cost child care instead just give them money. When the welfare gives more than the minimum wage, it discourages working. Real example one: one mother lost her job but declined an offer. The reason was her son could get $30,000 plus grant per year for college (not loan, grant) if she does not work. Her daughter is in the most expensive private high school at the same time. Real example two: one of my friend was laid off. I ask her for resume and tried to help. She declined. She needs a break with the unemployment benefits, as a paid vacation. I watched a TV program. A couple was going to lost their house, and whining that they should have retired because they are 51 years old. From when we lost our spirit to work hard? From when we just give birth to kids and give the responsibility to raise them to others and governments? US became strong today, is because the early immigrants were desperately need to survive and worked extremely hard. Too much welfare will eventually destroy our country. US should offer opportunity, not free money from others. |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 20, 2012 8:04 PM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011 Last: June 6, 2013 |
You've got to be kidding. With most companies, if you don't produce you're out. I say this after watching a 6 man highway crew laying asphalt-well 2 guys actually working and 4 watching. Response to Re: Welfare Spending: You should resent the wasteful processes of big business more, they are the ones dragging our country down not the poor as they are making you bellieve. In Response to Re: Welfare Spending : Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 20, 2012 8:08 PM EDT
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Thank you! Most people that play by the rules resent those that use the government as a crutch. Response to Re: Welfare Spending: We need to help orphans, disabled, and injured veterans. For single mothers, we should provide low cost child care instead just give them money. When the welfare gives more than the minimum wage, it discourages working. Real example one: one mother lost her job but declined an offer. The reason was her son could get $30,000 plus grant per year for college (not loan, grant) if she does not work. Her daughter is in the most expensive private high school at the same time. Real example two: one of my friend was laid off. I ask her for resume and tried to help. She declined. She needs a break with the unemployment benefits, as a paid vacation. I watched a TV program. A couple was going to lost their house, and whining that they should have retired because they are 51 years old. From when we lost our spirit to work hard? From when we just give birth to kids and give the responsibility to raise them to others and governments? US became strong today, is because the early immigrants were desperately need to survive and worked extremely hard. Too much welfare will eventually destroy our country. US should offer opportunity, not free money from others. Posted by lilly1966 |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 21, 2012 9:01 AM EDT
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: June 15, 2013 |
In Response to Welfare Spending: Federal welfare spending exceeded $1Trillion. Before any of you obama apologists reply, NO this does not include SS, Medicare or veteran benefits. It's only the money that's being doled out to people that never earned it, through 80 various federal programs ostensibly to get the recipients to vote democrat. Posted by Labrat64 Obama didn't invent Welfare. The Welfare system in the United States began in the 1930s, during the Great Depression. After the Great Society legislation of the 1960s, people who were not elderly or disabled could receive need-based aid from the federal government. Aid could include general Welfare payments, healthcare through Medicaid, food stamps, and special payments for pregnant women and young mothers. Social programs in the United States are welfare subsidies designed to aid the needs of the U.S. population. Proposals for federal programs began with Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism and expanded with Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, John F. Kennedy's New Frontier, and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society. The programs vary in eligibility requirements and are provided by various organizations on a federal, state, local and private level. They help to provide food, shelter, education, healthcare and money to U.S. citizens through primary and secondary education, subsidies of college education, unemployment disability insurance, subsidies for eligible low-wage workers, subsidies for housing, food stamps, pensions for eligible persons and health insurance programs that cover public employees. The Social Security system is the largest and most prominent social aid program. Medicare is another prominent program. In 2002, total U.S. social welfare expenditure constitutes roughly 35% of GDP, with purely public expenditure constituting 21%, publicly supported but privately provided welfare services constituting 10% of GDP and purely private services constituting 4% of GDP. This compared to France and Sweden whose welfare spending ranges from 30% to 35% of GDP. |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 21, 2012 9:53 PM EDT
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Social Security and Medicare are more like insurance, not welfare. We pre-paid for our benefits. Pure welfare expense increased at least 7% each year since 2002. We do need to watch it. I know a single mother who raised two kids purely by herself. She had only elementary education and no special skills. She did whatever jobs she could. Her two kids ended up very successful, and fully supported her when she gets old. I know one teacher asked her students: where will we get money? The answer was: from mail box, government sent the check. How sad! What the parents can give role model for their kids? What a kid would do when she/he grows up? |
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Re: Welfare Spending
posted at October 22, 2012 12:30 AM EDT
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: June 15, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Welfare Spending: Social Security and Medicare are more like insurance, not welfare. We pre-paid for our benefits. Pure welfare expense increased at least 7% each year since 2002. We do need to watch it. I know a single mother who raised two kids purely by herself. She had only elementary education and no special skills. She did whatever jobs she could. Her two kids ended up very successful, and fully supported her when she gets old. I know one teacher asked her students: where will we get money? The answer was: from mail box, government sent the check. How sad! What the parents can give role model for their kids? What a kid would do when she/he grows up? Posted by lilly1966 Yes, it is sad that a child would think the mail man is the source of income. Even if it is an unemployment check or a welfare check. Another thing to consider is that for the past 12 years, unemployment has been high, jobs.... hard to come by, or low paying. Employers don't have to pay top dollar anymore because the market is flooded with potential employees. The "take it or leave it" type jobs, with low pay are around. Try figuring your bills on a minimum wage job. It's not pretty. A variety of things can happen where a parent may be in and out of work. Over 20 million out of work. Unemployment runs out. Things get real tight, some end up canceling car insurance and selling the only transportation they have to pay other bills. Makes it hard to get to a job. I know, there are some that ride the system, but welfare is administered at the state level, with federal guidelines, so the states need to push work, and training to help get people off the system. There isn't any real easy solution to this. |
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