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STALEMATE

posted at November 17, 2011 7:36 AM EST
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
WASHINGTON -Increasingly gripped by stalemate, Republicans and Democrats on a congressional deficit-reduction supercommittee now seem to be devoting more time to assigning blame than working through the sharp differences that divide them.

Despite small steps in recent weeks toward addressing core solutions to the nation's intractable deficit problem, such as new taxes and curbs on the growth of enormously expensive government benefit programs, both sides said further progress had come to a halt.

Less than a week remains before a Thanksgiving deadline for the panel to vote on a plan cutting deficits by at least $1.2 trillion over a decade. Whatever remaining hope there was appeared to have washed away Wednesday after both Democrats and Republicans on the 12-member panel traded rhetorical salvos about whether the other side was negotiating in good faith.

"We need to find out whether our Republican colleagues want to continue to negotiate or whether they've drawn a hard line in the sand," supercommittee Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland said. "The question is whether they've kind of said, `Take it or leave it.'"

"What I've yet to see is a plan that fundamentally solves the problem," Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the panel's top Republican, told reporters.

With the talks at a standstill, Democratic officials familiar with the panel's work leaked a nearly week-old secret counteroffer that generally accepted a Republican framework for a $1.5 trillion compromise, while differing on numerous key details.

Democrats signaled a willingness to cut spending by $876 billion, including $225 billion from Medicare and $50 billion from Medicaid, these officials said, and raise tax revenue by $400 billion, far less than they had demanded earlier.

But they also wanted to take $700 billion in savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to pay for a $300 billion jobs program along the lines President Barack Obama wants, plus take steps to protect the upper middle class from the alternative minimum tax and extend financing for doctors who treat Medicare patients.

The leak of the Democratic offer seemed aimed at rebutting claims by Republicans that Democrats had not responded seriously to a GOP offer last week in which, for the first time, Republicans proposed new tax revenues.

But the $300 billion GOP tax offer was predicated on a fundamental tax overhaul and extension of Bush-era tax cuts set to expire at the end of next year. The Democratic offer would cut off unspecified tax breaks and keep in place current law in which the tax cuts expire, an idea that is anathema to Republicans.

"This particular conversation was a step backwards because it would lock in the largest tax hike in history ... and then add an additional $400 billion in job-killing tax hikes without pro-growth tax reform, plus more than $300 billion in `stimulus' spending," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

If the supercommittee fails to reach a $1.2 trillion deficit-cutting deal by Wednesday, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would take effect beginning in 2013. That's a result that lawmakers on both sides of the political divide — particularly defense hawks — say they oppose.

The talks turned particularly rocky last week, when Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., presented an offer to several Democrats that envisioned raising almost $300 billion in additional revenue through an overhaul of the tax code that also lowered the top individual tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent. It would cut the corporate rate as well.

Republicans pointed to the offer as a possible turning point, given the party's long record of opposition to higher taxes.

But Democrats attacked it as a tax cut for the rich in disguise, and the talks seemed to lose momentum.

The secret Democratic counterproposal came from Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., according to Democrats, in a meeting Friday with Hensarling.

In it, Democrats suggested raising $400 billion in additional revenue through eliminating tax breaks by means of an overhaul of the IRS code and cutting $876 billion in spending.

Unlike Republicans, who wanted to lock in lower tax rates as part of a plan to raise $250 billion, Democrats said they would find the additional revenue by eliminating loopholes and other existing tax breaks. They also said they would not extend the Bush-era tax breaks due to expire at the end of 2012.

They omitted other parts of the GOP offer, including a proposal to raise the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 67 and a different proposal to slow the rise of annual cost-of-living increases under Social Security.

In their offer, Democrats said, Republicans had recommended using the war money, targeting $690 billion to offset the impact of the alternative minimum tax and $19 billion for a short-term extension of Medicare physician payments.

Re: STALEMATE

posted at November 17, 2011 7:37 AM EST
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
This is a copy of the letter sent by a number of Democrats to the Congressional SuperCommittee nitwits.
Dear Super-Committee Members:
Because as members of Congress you believe undoubtedly in "justice for all" Americans, because shared sacrifice is inseparable from a just America, and because the wealthiest 2% have not been called upon to sacrifice for their country, whereas the rest of America have already been made to by an unfair tax system and by continual favoritism to the nation's economic elites, a principled super-committee that values justice and fair-play will do the following to HELP PAY DOWN THE DEFICIT:

1. Support raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% at least to the top rate that existed during the Clinton years when the nation's economy was better than ever.

2. Support a 0.1% tax on all trades of stocks and bonds, and a 0.01% tax on all trades in derivatives.

3. Support raising the taxes on hedge fund managers to the same rate as payroll taxes for wage and salaried employees throughout America..

4. Support removal of the cap ($106,800) for payment of Social Security taxes.

5. Support a titanium-clad restriction that all the revenue derived from implementing the four preceding proposals must go to deficit reduction-NOT to any new spending on favors for major corporations and the wealthy and NOT to an already bloated and wasteful budget for the military industrial complex. (President Eisenhower was right about the threat that an ever-expanding military industrial complex presents to our freedom and economic security.)

Social Security and Medicare:

With implementation of the preceding five proposals, Social Security and Medicare can be not only preserved but also modestly enhanced. For the following reasons, these programs, which are essential to maintaining America's economy and its middle-class, should not be cut:

• Social Security has not added one penny to the deficit. Instead, unwilling to pay for two wars, for an out-of-control Pentagon budget, for a plethora of subsidies to corporations, for huge tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, etc., etc. CONGRESS HAS BORROWED HEAVILY FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND and DOES NOT WANT TO PAY THE MONEY BACK. By any definition, legal and moral, that is THEFT.

• Social Security is a BENEFIT EARNED by people working hard and paying SS taxes; it is a CONTRACT for the economic security of elderly Americans.

• Likewise, Medicare is for the HEALTH SECURITY of elderly Americans-security that private insurance provides far less predictably and far more expensively. Because the elderly no longer have earning power, increases in the cost of Medicare place at risk their economic and health security. (Just as each super-committee member has secure health-care provided by tax dollars, so should all Americans, who pay those dollars as well as your salary.)

The Real Causes of the Deficit:

It is the height of injustice to blame Social Security and Medicare for our country's budgetary situation. The situation results, in fact, from failures of leadership by our political and corporate elites. They and their policies and practices have brought us the following ills, which by causing our present and future budgetary plight undermine our national security far more than any foreign powers do:

• Overall mismanagement and financialization of the U.S. economy by political and corporate elites. (For example, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act has been a disaster and will continue to be until the act is restored. Commercial and investment banks should never have been married. The so-called lack of confidence in the business community has not been caused by government-except for its excessive deregulation of the banking, mortgage, and "investment" industries, which have exploited deregulation and thereby tanked themselves and the American and world economies into insolvency.)

• The Bush tax cuts, especially for the wealthiest Americans, whose record of job-creation during his administration was anemic-a mere .45 percent increase on average each year (In contrast, during the Clinton administrations, when taxes on the richest Americans were higher, the average increase in the number of jobs each year was 1.6 percent. And during the 1950s, when taxes on corporations and the wealthy were among the highest in our history, jobs were abundant, well-paying, and secure.)

• The Bush recession, which was caused mostly by excessive de-regulation and by reckless elites in the banking and investment industries.

• Two costly and destructive wars financed on credit instead of responsibly through taxes-especially taxes on those who benefit most from those wars.

• Excessive long-term military spending, which undermines our economic and national security (just as it did the defunct USSR's) and creates far fewer jobs than investments do in our infrastructure, transportation systems, alternative technologies for energy, etc.

• Tax loopholes, subsidies, off-shore accounts, etc., etc., for wealthy corporations and individuals, who do not need them.
Between our elites and middle-class Americans, it is the former who bear far more responsibility for the budgetary and economic messes that afflict our country. Blaming the middle-class, the poor, and the programs that provide them some security is GROTESQUELY UNFAIR, MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE, ECONOMICALLY DESTRUCTIVE, AND POLITICALLY SUICIDAL.

There can be no national security unless there is economic and health security for the 99%.


Re: STALEMATE

posted at November 17, 2011 7:38 AM EST
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
This is a copy of the letter sent by a number of Democrats to the Congressional SuperCommittee nitwits.
Dear Super-Committee Members:
Because as members of Congress you believe undoubtedly in "justice for all" Americans, because shared sacrifice is inseparable from a just America, and because the wealthiest 2% have not been called upon to sacrifice for their country, whereas the rest of America have already been made to by an unfair tax system and by continual favoritism to the nation's economic elites, a principled super-committee that values justice and fair-play will do the following to HELP PAY DOWN THE DEFICIT:

1. Support raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% at least to the top rate that existed during the Clinton years when the nation's economy was better than ever.

2. Support a 0.1% tax on all trades of stocks and bonds, and a 0.01% tax on all trades in derivatives.

3. Support raising the taxes on hedge fund managers to the same rate as payroll taxes for wage and salaried employees throughout America..

4. Support removal of the cap ($106,800) for payment of Social Security taxes.

5. Support a titanium-clad restriction that all the revenue derived from implementing the four preceding proposals must go to deficit reduction-NOT to any new spending on favors for major corporations and the wealthy and NOT to an already bloated and wasteful budget for the military industrial complex. (President Eisenhower was right about the threat that an ever-expanding military industrial complex presents to our freedom and economic security.)

Social Security and Medicare:

With implementation of the preceding five proposals, Social Security and Medicare can be not only preserved but also modestly enhanced. For the following reasons, these programs, which are essential to maintaining America's economy and its middle-class, should not be cut:

• Social Security has not added one penny to the deficit. Instead, unwilling to pay for two wars, for an out-of-control Pentagon budget, for a plethora of subsidies to corporations, for huge tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, etc., etc. CONGRESS HAS BORROWED HEAVILY FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND and DOES NOT WANT TO PAY THE MONEY BACK. By any definition, legal and moral, that is THEFT.

• Social Security is a BENEFIT EARNED by people working hard and paying SS taxes; it is a CONTRACT for the economic security of elderly Americans.

• Likewise, Medicare is for the HEALTH SECURITY of elderly Americans-security that private insurance provides far less predictably and far more expensively. Because the elderly no longer have earning power, increases in the cost of Medicare place at risk their economic and health security. (Just as each super-committee member has secure health-care provided by tax dollars, so should all Americans, who pay those dollars as well as your salary.)

The Real Causes of the Deficit:

It is the height of injustice to blame Social Security and Medicare for our country's budgetary situation. The situation results, in fact, from failures of leadership by our political and corporate elites. They and their policies and practices have brought us the following ills, which by causing our present and future budgetary plight undermine our national security far more than any foreign powers do:

• Overall mismanagement and financialization of the U.S. economy by political and corporate elites. (For example, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act has been a disaster and will continue to be until the act is restored. Commercial and investment banks should never have been married. The so-called lack of confidence in the business community has not been caused by government-except for its excessive deregulation of the banking, mortgage, and "investment" industries, which have exploited deregulation and thereby tanked themselves and the American and world economies into insolvency.)

• The Bush tax cuts, especially for the wealthiest Americans, whose record of job-creation during his administration was anemic-a mere .45 percent increase on average each year (In contrast, during the Clinton administrations, when taxes on the richest Americans were higher, the average increase in the number of jobs each year was 1.6 percent. And during the 1950s, when taxes on corporations and the wealthy were among the highest in our history, jobs were abundant, well-paying, and secure.)

• The Bush recession, which was caused mostly by excessive de-regulation and by reckless elites in the banking and investment industries.

• Two costly and destructive wars financed on credit instead of responsibly through taxes-especially taxes on those who benefit most from those wars.

• Excessive long-term military spending, which undermines our economic and national security (just as it did the defunct USSR's) and creates far fewer jobs than investments do in our infrastructure, transportation systems, alternative technologies for energy, etc.

• Tax loopholes, subsidies, off-shore accounts, etc., etc., for wealthy corporations and individuals, who do not need them.
Between our elites and middle-class Americans, it is the former who bear far more responsibility for the budgetary and economic messes that afflict our country. Blaming the middle-class, the poor, and the programs that provide them some security is GROTESQUELY UNFAIR, MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE, ECONOMICALLY DESTRUCTIVE, AND POLITICALLY SUICIDAL.

There can be no national security unless there is economic and health security for the 99%.


Re: STALEMATE

posted at November 17, 2011 10:31 AM EST
Posts: 531
First: August 9, 2011
Last: May 19, 2013
Jan,
 After reading your statement. I cannot believe how a person who depends on Social Security or Medicare or a person who doesn't need either program but cares for the well being of his fellow citizens of the United States of America and believes in God, can possibly support any of these Republican lawmakers who intend on hurting their own citizens.  If anything, as a nation we have to take care of our own, either young,  old or disabled.  Our seniors made this nation great and given the power to these lawmakers to make responsible decisions which at the monent they intend to make reckless irresponsible decisions. 




n Response to Re: STALEMATE:
This is a copy of the letter sent by a number of Democrats to the Congressional SuperCommittee nitwits. Dear Super-Committee Members: Because as members of Congress you believe undoubtedly in "justice for all" Americans, because shared sacrifice is inseparable from a just America, and because the wealthiest 2% have not been called upon to sacrifice for their country, whereas the rest of America have already been made to by an unfair tax system and by continual favoritism to the nation's economic elites, a principled super-committee that values justice and fair-play will do the following to HELP PAY DOWN THE DEFICIT: 1. Support raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% at least to the top rate that existed during the Clinton years when the nation's economy was better than ever. 2. Support a 0.1% tax on all trades of stocks and bonds, and a 0.01% tax on all trades in derivatives. 3. Support raising the taxes on hedge fund managers to the same rate as payroll taxes for wage and salaried employees throughout America.. 4. Support removal of the cap ($106,800) for payment of Social Security taxes. 5. Support a titanium-clad restriction that all the revenue derived from implementing the four preceding proposals must go to deficit reduction-NOT to any new spending on favors for major corporations and the wealthy and NOT to an already bloated and wasteful budget for the military industrial complex. (President Eisenhower was right about the threat that an ever-expanding military industrial complex presents to our freedom and economic security.) Social Security and Medicare: With implementation of the preceding five proposals, Social Security and Medicare can be not only preserved but also modestly enhanced. For the following reasons, these programs, which are essential to maintaining America's economy and its middle-class, should not be cut: • Social Security has not added one penny to the deficit. Instead, unwilling to pay for two wars, for an out-of-control Pentagon budget, for a plethora of subsidies to corporations, for huge tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans, etc., etc. CONGRESS HAS BORROWED HEAVILY FROM THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND and DOES NOT WANT TO PAY THE MONEY BACK. By any definition, legal and moral, that is THEFT. • Social Security is a BENEFIT EARNED by people working hard and paying SS taxes; it is a CONTRACT for the economic security of elderly Americans. • Likewise, Medicare is for the HEALTH SECURITY of elderly Americans-security that private insurance provides far less predictably and far more expensively. Because the elderly no longer have earning power, increases in the cost of Medicare place at risk their economic and health security. (Just as each super-committee member has secure health-care provided by tax dollars, so should all Americans, who pay those dollars as well as your salary.) The Real Causes of the Deficit: It is the height of injustice to blame Social Security and Medicare for our country's budgetary situation. The situation results, in fact, from failures of leadership by our political and corporate elites. They and their policies and practices have brought us the following ills, which by causing our present and future budgetary plight undermine our national security far more than any foreign powers do: • Overall mismanagement and financialization of the U.S. economy by political and corporate elites. (For example, the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act has been a disaster and will continue to be until the act is restored. Commercial and investment banks should never have been married. The so-called lack of confidence in the business community has not been caused by government-except for its excessive deregulation of the banking, mortgage, and "investment" industries, which have exploited deregulation and thereby tanked themselves and the American and world economies into insolvency.) • The Bush tax cuts, especially for the wealthiest Americans, whose record of job-creation during his administration was anemic-a mere .45 percent increase on average each year (In contrast, during the Clinton administrations, when taxes on the richest Americans were higher, the average increase in the number of jobs each year was 1.6 percent. And during the 1950s, when taxes on corporations and the wealthy were among the highest in our history, jobs were abundant, well-paying, and secure.) • The Bush recession, which was caused mostly by excessive de-regulation and by reckless elites in the banking and investment industries. • Two costly and destructive wars financed on credit instead of responsibly through taxes-especially taxes on those who benefit most from those wars. • Excessive long-term military spending, which undermines our economic and national security (just as it did the defunct USSR's) and creates far fewer jobs than investments do in our infrastructure, transportation systems, alternative technologies for energy, etc. • Tax loopholes, subsidies, off-shore accounts, etc., etc., for wealthy corporations and individuals, who do not need them. Between our elites and middle-class Americans, it is the former who bear far more responsibility for the budgetary and economic messes that afflict our country. Blaming the middle-class, the poor, and the programs that provide them some security is GROTESQUELY UNFAIR, MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE, ECONOMICALLY DESTRUCTIVE, AND POLITICALLY SUICIDAL. There can be no national security unless there is economic and health security for the 99%.
Posted by JANMB

Re: STALEMATE

posted at December 1, 2011 1:52 PM EST
Posts: 938
First: December 1, 2011
Last: May 7, 2013
As Ron Paul predicted the so called supercomittee solved NOTHING.
His economic plan is so realistic, so easy on people that I really question the establishment caring about Americans
since they do everything to stop him from being a president  (just because he is honest and can't be bought like other politicians!)

See for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ayIleOnio