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Why does AARP get into the debate about Social Security and Medicare requesting it's members to tell the President to keep his promise when it is the Republican Congess that is fighting him
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Forums » Politics & Society » Government & Elections » Social Security, Medicare and AARP
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 19, 2013 4:25 AM EST
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Posts: 360
First: October 13, 2012 Last: June 15, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: Federal Govt. employees do participate in Social Security under the FERS system that was introduced in 1985 to replace the CSRS where a Federal employee was entitled to a Govt annuity at retirement. Under FERS part of their retirement is an Annuity and Social Security. In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : Posted by creppelrm I worked for the state of Louisiana for 6 months in late 2009 - 2010, and we didn't have any SSI witheld from our pay. The Louisiana State Employees' Retirement System (LASERS) generated an investment return of 14.3 percent for the period January 1, 2012 to December 31, 2012. The 2012 calendar year-to-date performance is based on LASERS total plan, with a current market value exceeding $9.5 billion. http://www.lasersonline.org/site.php?pageID=20&newsID=153 Seems if the states can invest in retirement plans for their employees, the Feds should be able to do the same. |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 19, 2013 2:48 PM EST
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Posts: 60
First: May 26, 2012 Last: May 26, 2013 |
I suspect you did not understand what I meant. I'm not surprised. We two have a great deal to discuss in depth before we could come to an understanding on what either of us is all about. I do not think you do not belong in a box with labels on it. Neither do I. If I see you have something of worth to say....I'll listen. IF our purpose is to seek truth that we do not KNOW or solve problems that adversely affect us, let's have at it. IF, on the other hand, the purpose is to sell an agenda or gain a convert.....forget it....you waste not only my time, but your evangelical zeal as well. IF you would have a discussion with me, you must NOT bury political pronouncents in your wording, NOT make statements intended to foreclose conclusions that do not agree with your presumptions and NOT see 'facts' through the lens of ideological doctrine......no matter that it is near and dear to you. I do not play by rules, crafted by others, intended to promote a doctrine, an agenda or disseminate propaganda. To clarify.....the presumption that government is necessarily BAD or inevitably becomes BAD is unwarranted. That is a BELIEF, not an established fact derived from rigorous proofs. To presume that BELIEF itself constitutes authority to define reality is likewise not acceptable. Significantly....I do not view GOVERNMENT as something OTHER than the PEOPLE themselves. In fact, like religion, government is a creation of the mind of man intended to serve man's purpose. I won't elaborate further except to say that IF that is the case, THEN the evil lies in the purpose for which it is used, not the artifice itself. Like a gun in that way.....donchathink? Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : umbarch64, I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Is your statement directed at me as a Libertarian, and my beliefs, or to the fact that government seems to take care of government, and leaves the rest of us to participate in Social Security as the ponzi scheme that it is, instead of being a controlled interest bearing investment that it should be? My point here, is to show that government employees do not participate in social security. They are in an entirely different retirement plan, which seems to produce a very substantial return and security for the government employee. Is it governments place to force me to participate in a plan, that is headed for bankruptcy, instead of letting me choose how to handle my financial future? I think all we need to do is look at the debt this country is building to see that financial responsibility is not one of the U.S. Governments strongest points. Secondly, looking at the state that Social Security is in, and the proposed cuts, we can surely agree that this is not an investment that each of us, as individuals, would willingly participate in, IF we were given other options . Posted by wisemagic |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 19, 2013 3:20 PM EST
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First: August 9, 2011 Last: June 19, 2013 |
Exactly, Umbarch, many people forget we are the Government. What goes on in Washington is what we allow. In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: I suspect you did not understand what I meant. I'm not surprised. We two have a great deal to discuss in depth before we could come to an understanding on what either of us is all about. I do not think you do not belong in a box with labels on it. Neither do I. If I see you have something of worth to say....I'll listen. IF our purpose is to seek truth that we do not KNOW or solve problems that adversely affect us, let's have at it. IF, on the other hand, the purpose is to sell an agenda or gain a convert.....forget it....you waste not only my time, but your evangelical zeal as well. IF you would have a discussion with me, you must NOT bury political pronouncents in your wording, NOT make statements intended to foreclose conclusions that do not agree with your presumptions and NOT see 'facts' through the lens of ideological doctrine......no matter that it is near and dear to you. I do not play by rules, crafted by others, intended to promote a doctrine, an agenda or disseminate propaganda. To clarify.....the presumption that government is necessarily BAD or inevitably becomes BAD is unwarranted. That is a BELIEF, not an established fact derived from rigorous proofs. To presume that BELIEF itself constitutes authority to define reality is likewise not acceptable. Significantly....I do not view GOVERNMENT as something OTHER than the PEOPLE themselves. In fact, like religion, government is a creation of the mind of man intended to serve man's purpose. I won't elaborate further except to say that IF that is the case, THEN the evil lies in the purpose for which it is used, not the artifice itself. Like a gun in that way.....donchathink? Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : Posted by umbarch64 |
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