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Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 10, 2013 2:44 PM EST
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 10, 2013 5:04 PM EST
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Posts: 59
First: May 26, 2012 Last: May 20, 2013 |
I can't respond for AARP. When floating the Chained CPI as negotiable to deal with budget and deficit issues, the President puts senior's interests at risk. I suspect AARP does not consider that necessary. I don't either. I suspect AARP wants to take that bargaining chip off the table.demographic. ALL socially beneficial programs are in the radical right cross-hairs.........That faction is working not just for reduction in benefits, but outright elimination of the entire program. They have in the past labeled them as 'ponzi-schemes' and 'fraud' when preaching to the choir of malcontents making up their constituency. Response to Social Security, Medicare and AARP: Why does AARP get into the debate about Social Security and Medicare requesting it's members to tell the President to keep his promise when it is the Republican Congess that is fighting him Tooth and Nail to cut the programs? It is the Republican Congress who are calling Social Security and Medicare entitlement programs when they are NOT. If the President doesn't meet the Republicans half way he will be called down for not compromising. Republican Congress is already saying no deal can be reached until these entitlement programs are cut to some degree. AARP ask it's members to call the white house and tell the President to keep his promise instead of asking Republican Congress to take the pressure off the programs that seniors and the disabled depend so much on. AARP ask for money for What?? To pressure the President when they should be pressuring the Republican Congress? I'm beginning to think that AARP is in it for the Money only. Why else would they pressure the President when it is not only him who will make the decision if Social Security and Medicare lives or dies? Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 10, 2013 11:57 PM EST
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Posts: 3037
First: March 2, 2008 Last: May 24, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: I can't respond for AARP. When floating the Chained CPI as negotiable to deal with budget and deficit issues, the President puts senior's interests at risk. I suspect AARP does not consider that necessary. I don't either. I suspect AARP wants to take that bargaining chip off the table.demographic. ALL socially beneficial programs are in the radical right cross-hairs.........That faction is working not just for reduction in benefits, but outright elimination of the entire program. They have in the past labeled them as 'ponzi-schemes' and 'fraud' when preaching to the choir of malcontents making up their constituency. Response to Social Security, Medicare and AARP : Posted by umbarch64 I just got on Medicare a few months ago, but I don't feel it's an entitlement. I'm still working part-time paying into Medicare Part A through taxes. I also pay almost $300 a month for Part B and D as well as a supplemental from AARP. I see AARP advertising its supplemental health insurance on TV all the time, so I wonder if they're waiting for the Repubs to privatize it. I honestly don't see too many corporations and politicians strongly speaking out against eliminating Medicare except for Bernie Sanders. He understands that most of us can't afford private premiums nor wait until age 70 to receive Medicare. Perhaps this is another plan for the Repubs to eliminate the Middle Class as most seniors would probably lose their homes paying for health care in old age. |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 16, 2013 10:35 AM EST
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Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : I just got on Medicare a few months ago, but I don't feel it's an entitlement. I'm still working part-time paying into Medicare Part A through taxes. I also pay almost $300 a month for Part B and D as well as a supplemental from AARP. I see AARP advertising its supplemental health insurance on TV all the time, so I wonder if they're waiting for the Repubs to privatize it. I honestly don't see too many corporations and politicians strongly speaking out against eliminating Medicare except for Bernie Sanders. He understands that most of us can't afford private premiums nor wait until age 70 to receive Medicare. Perhaps this is another plan for the Repubs to eliminate the Middle Class as most seniors would probably lose their homes paying for health care in old age. Posted by intersan We seniors have contributed to building this country up... taking it through wars and recessions ....and we are ENTITLED at life's end not to have to suffer when we are too old to work. None of us had the same fortune, health and circumstances and there is not one-size fits -for all. Some of us were able to save more for retirement and some could not. Young people don't realize that there are at any given time millions of young people getting these benefits because they are disabled and often for life. |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 16, 2013 9:05 PM EST
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Posts: 535
First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 24, 2013 |
Yes Jan, These young even some old Republicans think they are bullet proof and nothing will ever happen to them and talk in this macho arrogance manner where "I'll keep my gun and money and you keep your change". Until something happens to them and then watch them cry like a big baby. n Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : We seniors have contributed to building this country up... taking it through wars and recessions ....and we are ENTITLED at life's end not to have to suffer when we are too old to work. None of us had the same fortune, health and circumstances and there is not one-size fits -for all. Some of us were able to save more for retirement and some could not. Young people don't realize that there are at any given time millions of young people getting these benefits because they are disabled and often for life. Posted by JANMB |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 17, 2013 2:04 PM EST
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Posts: 678
First: October 17, 2009 Last: February 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: Yes Jan, Until something happens to them and then watch them cry like a big baby. n Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : Posted by creppelrm The old ones in Congress don't have to cry ... they would get the ultra deluxe medical treatment like Cheney. How many middle class seniors could get the care he did? And now, to slow Medicare spending there is some proposal afoot to prevent Medigap insurance plans from covering all one's expenses in excess of what Medicare pays. The theory is us poor old folks are just going to the doctor for fun if we have Plan F which pays all of the 20% Medicare does not cover. Some brain trust got the idea that if we have to fork out a few $, we will think twice about using our Medicare services.
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 17, 2013 4:14 PM EST
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Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 20, 2013 |
We should not be surprised to find that:
That comes to a quarter million dollars saved in trust for every government worker (current and future retirees) — versus ZERO, zip, nada, zilch saved for every private sector worker.
http://www.centerforsmallgovernment.com/feature/why-isnt-this-news/ ![]() Every year, they take 12.4% of your income to prop up their failed Social Security system - a system that is heading toward bankruptcy.
If you are an American earning the median income of $31,695 per year, and were given the option of investing that same amount of money ( 12.4% ) in a stock mutual fund, you would retire a millionaire - without winning the lottery or a TV game show. ( Libertarians believe you should be able to opt out of Social Security and invest your money in your own personal retirement account. An account that you own and control - one that politicians can't get their hands on. Countries like Chile, Mexico, Britain, and Australia have successfully made the transition from their failed Social Security systems to healthy systems based on individual retirement accounts. In Chile, over 90% of workers have opted out of the government-run system. It's time America did as well.) http://www.lp.org/issues/social-security Under Obama the total federal workforce has surpassed two million for the first time since the first Clinton term, now sitting about the 2.2 ,million level. That report found the average civilian federal government worker collected just under $84,000 a year in taxpayer money, about $32,000 more than the average private sector worker. That's a total federal worker package of about $236 billion a year. In his public outbursts during the alleged fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama has suggested that talks over federal spending cuts come later after his immediate favored tax increases. http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/121012-636426-americans-figure-out-public-employees-have-it-better-than-private-workers.htm#ixzz2EhDuT2Qk The quickest way to screw something up.... let big government get involved in it.
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 17, 2013 7:26 PM EST
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Posts: 59
First: May 26, 2012 Last: May 20, 2013 |
Regretfully, I take issue with presumptions within your presentation on Social Security. Jefferson stated that to secure certain rights, governments are instituted among men. Others have held that government is established to do that which man, individually, cannot accomplish. Without my going into irrelevant detail, I think you can see where our concepts of what individual freedom means differ. n Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: We should not be surprised to find that: $5 trillion – or more – is saved for about 20 million government workers . $0 is saved for hundreds of millions of private sector workers . That comes to a quarter million dollars saved in trust for every government worker (current and future retirees) — versus ZERO, zip, nada, zilch saved for every private sector worker. Politicians have squirreled away close to 5 TRILLION dollars for state, local and federal government retirees. An average of $250,000 for every government worker and retiree – a quarter of a million dollars - while saving nothing for private sector workers. http://www.centerforsmallgovernment.com/feature/why-isnt-this-news/ Every year, they take 12.4% of your income to prop up their failed Social Security system - a system that is heading toward bankruptcy. If you are an American earning the median income of $31,695 per year, and were given the option of investing that same amount of money ( 12.4% ) in a stock mutual fund, you would retire a millionaire - without winning the lottery or a TV game show. ( Libertarians believe you should be able to opt out of Social Security and invest your money in your own personal retirement account. An account that you own and control - one that politicians can't get their hands on. Countries like Chile, Mexico, Britain, and Australia have successfully made the transition from their failed Social Security systems to healthy systems based on individual retirement accounts. In Chile, over 90% of workers have opted out of the government-run system. It's time America did as well. ) http://www.lp.org/issues/social-security Under Obama the total federal workforce has surpassed two million for the first time since the first Clinton term, now sitting about the 2.2 ,million level. That report found the average civilian federal government worker collected just under $84,000 a year in taxpayer money, about $32,000 more than the average private sector worker. That's a total federal worker package of about $236 billion a year. In his public outbursts during the alleged fiscal cliff negotiations, Obama has suggested that talks over federal spending cuts come later after his immediate favored tax increases. http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/121012-636426-americans-figure-out-public-employees-have-it-better-than-private-workers.htm#ixzz2EhDuT2Qk The quickest way to screw something up.... let big government get involved in it. Posted by wisemagic |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 17, 2013 8:14 PM EST
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Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 20, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: Regretfully, I take issue with presumptions within your presentation on Social Security. Jefferson stated that to secure certain rights, governments are instituted among men. Others have held that government is established to do that which man, individually, cannot accomplish. Without my going into irrelevant detail, I think you can see where our concepts of what individual freedom means differ. n Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : Posted by umbarch64 umbarch64, I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Is your statement directed at me as a Libertarian, and my beliefs, or to the fact that government seems to take care of government, and leaves the rest of us to participate in Social Security as the ponzi scheme that it is, instead of being a controlled interest bearing investment that it should be? My point here, is to show that government employees do not participate in social security. They are in an entirely different retirement plan, which seems to produce a very substantial return and security for the government employee. Is it governments place to force me to participate in a plan, that is headed for bankruptcy, instead of letting me choose how to handle my financial future? I think all we need to do is look at the debt this country is building to see that financial responsibility is not one of the U.S. Governments strongest points. Secondly, looking at the state that Social Security is in, and the proposed cuts, we can surely agree that this is not an investment that each of us, as individuals, would willingly participate in, IF we were given other options. |
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Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP
posted at February 19, 2013 1:54 AM EST
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Posts: 535
First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 24, 2013 |
Federal Govt. employees do participate in Social Security under the FERS system that was introduced in 1985 to replace the CSRS where a Federal employee was entitled to a Govt annuity at retirement. Under FERS part of their retirement is an Annuity and Social Security. In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP: In Response to Re: Social Security, Medicare and AARP : umbarch64, I'm not sure I'm understanding you. Is your statement directed at me as a Libertarian, and my beliefs, or to the fact that government seems to take care of government, and leaves the rest of us to participate in Social Security as the ponzi scheme that it is, instead of being a controlled interest bearing investment that it should be? My point here, is to show that government employees do not participate in social security. They are in an entirely different retirement plan, which seems to produce a very substantial return and security for the government employee. Is it governments place to force me to participate in a plan, that is headed for bankruptcy, instead of letting me choose how to handle my financial future? I think all we need to do is look at the debt this country is building to see that financial responsibility is not one of the U.S. Governments strongest points. Secondly, looking at the state that Social Security is in, and the proposed cuts, we can surely agree that this is not an investment that each of us, as individuals, would willingly participate in, IF we were given other options . Posted by wisemagic |