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Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?
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Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:14 PM EST
Posts: 5
First: June 21, 2011
Last: December 19, 2011
Actually there is a graph showing the unemployment rate both in the Bush years and then the Obama years.  It is called the bikini graph.  You're in for a pleasant surprise.

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/04/01/the-bikini-graph-is-back/

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In Response to Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans? : You say that if the Republicans take over our country we are in for a real hard time.  What about what Obama has put us through?  Unemployment is the worst it's been in years and our allies are starting to turn against us.  He blames everything on Bush.  Sometime, he has to take responsibility for his own failures. Anybody will be better than Obama!!
Posted by Argeebee

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:29 PM EST
Posts: 12
First: December 19, 2011
Last: August 17, 2012
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Although I don't profess to be connected to any political party or religion, I really feel they are both cult like.  I do know that if the present crop of Republicans are able to take over our government we the lowly citizens (99%ters) are in for a real hard time for the next 4 years. All I can attribute my beliefs on is what I hear coming out ot the mouths of the Republicans that are in office at this time, it appears they have no use for the 99%ters and only want more for their bosses ... the 1%ters.
Posted by RellisSmith


pubs, whether those running for presidential nom or House leaders, look like clowns to me

also, if you have money invested in the stock market, it may surprise some that DJIA consistently does much better with Dems in the WH, now why do you suppose that is?

if you care about your money and your children, and the great difference in wealth creation whether Dems or pubs in WH, you'll vote Dem

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:36 PM EST
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Last: August 17, 2012
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In Response to Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans? :
Posted by nordholm1

Obama got bin laden when bush couldn't...unemployment went up dramatically with the bush 2 financial crisis, which started in 2007, just as it did in 1929 with hoover's stock market crash

please note this, google to confirm, if you like:

IT'S A MATTER OF COMPETENCE AND THE PATTERN IS CLEAR
 
Stocks Have Actually Done Better Under Democrats

Despite the behavior of the market during the last Presidential election, over longer periods of time, the stock market has done significantly better under Democratic administrations.
 
The accompanying chart shows stock returns under each occupant of the White House since the beginning of John Kennedy's presidency. I have calculated the return from the end of the November election, since stocks will react to the policies of the incoming administration when it is elected, not when it takes office.
 
President    Party    Date    Months in Office    Annualized Stock Return
Kennedy    D    11/60-10/63    36    15.15%
Johnson    D    11/63-10/68    60    10.39%
 
Nixon    R    11/68-7/74    69    -1.32%
Ford    R    8/74-10/76     27    17.21%
Carter    D    11/76-10/80    48    11.04%
 
Reagan    R    11/80-10/88    96    15.18%
Bush    R    11/88-10/92    48    14.44%
 
Clinton    D    11/92-10/00    96    19%

Bush, G.W.    R    11/00-2/06    63    -0.92%---worst performance of 100 years
 
Average from 1948 to Feb. 2006   

Democrat    42.8%    15.26%
Republican    57.2%    9.53%
Overall     100%    11.95%
That calculates into a very great difference in creation of wealth!

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Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:38 PM EST
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First: December 19, 2011
Last: December 19, 2011
Since Obama, I have benefited from the changes to healthcare.  My Grandson has had juvenile diabetes since 5 years old.  He "aged out" of medical plans but Obama extended the age and eligibility to age 26 and still can be carried under his parents policy.  He graduated from a 2 year college program and took some time off since he needs to pay off his college tuition.  To make matters worse, there are no jobs, they went away with the Corporations that moved offshore so they could pay less to the workers, no EPA, etc., you get it.  There are only jobs for 1 of 4 of us.  Since he has diabetes, he would not have received any medical coverage with a "pre-existing condition."  Insurance carriers only want to insure young, healthy men and those less likely to have health issues (that leaves us silver haired people out).  He is still looking for a job, trying to pay down his tuition bill but in the meantime, thanks to Obama, he has insurance.  There are many of us with some health issues (yeah tell me about it), who cannot be socked with the "sorry, you have a pre-existing condition, you don't quality for a health plan.  We pay over 2X what the other industrialized countries pay for their health care for their citizens and millions have no insurance many being children.  Since they don't belong to a group for their health care, and they can't pay, the bill is not a group bill but they are responsible for the whole shot.  We are still paying for those who have no insurance but at higher rates.  Thanks to Obama.  We also need everyone covered, because everyone needs access to insurance coverage and we should be able to afford the coverage.  We need the highest standards of care for everyone, preventative care, which further reduces the total cost by nipping it in the bud for illnesses that could bloom into something deadly and expensive.  Prevention saves us lots of money.  It is the prudent thing to do but also the morally thing to do.  What do you think?

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:40 PM EST
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First: December 19, 2011
Last: August 17, 2012


Note this is written by senior person in reagan/bush WH, and he gives facts for every point of view---if this doesn't make you want to vote Dem, you're not clear on the facts:  job growth very weak during bush 2 years in WH, whereas great growth under Clinton----


Are the Bush Tax Cuts the Root of Our Fiscal Problem?
By BRUCE BARTLETT
DESCRIPTION

Bruce Bartlett held 

senior policy roles in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul.


Whether revenue should play any role in deficit reduction is at the root of the fiscal impasse between Congressional Republicans and President Obama

One factor underlying the hard-line Republican position that taxes must not be increased by even $1 is their assertion that the Bush tax cuts played no role in creating our deficit problem.

 

TODAY’S ECONOMIST

Perspectives from expert contributors.

In a previous post, I noted that federal taxes as a share of gross domestic product were at their lowest level in generations. 

TheCongressional Budget Office expects revenue to be just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year; the last year it was lower was 1950, when revenue amounted to 14.4 percent of G.D.P.

But revenue has been below 15 percent of G.D.P. since 2009, and the last time we had three years in a row when revenue as a share of G.D.P. was that low was 1941 to 1943.

Revenue has averaged 18 percent of G.D.P. since 1970 and a little more than that in the postwar era. At a similar stage in previous business cycles, two years past the trough, revenue was considerably higher: 18 percent of G.D.P. in 1977 after the 1973-75 recession; 17.3 percent of G.D.P. in 1984 after the 1981-82 recession, and 17.5 percent of G.D.P. in 1993 after the 1990-91 recession. Revenue was markedly lower, however, at this point after the 2001 recession and was just 16.2 percent of G.D.P. in 2003.

The reason, of course, is that

taxes were cut in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006.

It would have been one thing if the Bush tax cuts had at least bought the country 


a higher rate of economic growth, even temporarily. 


They did not. 


Real G.D.P. growth peaked at just 3.6 percent in 2004 before fading rapidly. Even before the crisis hit, real G.D.P. was growing less than 2 percent a year.

By contrast, after the 1982 and 1993 tax increases, growth was much more robust. 


Real G.D.P. rose 7.2 percent in 1984 and continued to rise at more than 3 percent a year for the balance of the 1980s.

Real G.D.P. growth was 4.1 percent in 1994despite widespread predictions by opponents of the 1993 tax increase that it would bring on another recession. 

Real growth averaged 4 percent for the balance of the 1990s. 


By contrast, real G.D.P. growth in the nonrecession years of the 2000s averaged just 2.7 percent a year — barely above the postwar average.

---so, even leading pub thinker says pub politicians dead wrong---

-----so, job creators created more jobs after Clinton's small tax increase

than they have in the almost 10 years since bush tax cuts started-----

THESE ARE FACTS FROM A PUB, DO YOU GET IT?

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST
Posts: 5
First: November 19, 2011
Last: January 5, 2012
In Response to Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?:
In Response to Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans? : You say that if the Republicans take over our country we are in for a real hard time.  What about what Obama has put us through?  Unemployment is the worst it's been in years and our allies are starting to turn against us.  He blames everything on Bush.  Sometime, he has to take responsibility for his own failures. Anybody will be better than Obama!!
Posted by Argeebee


This recession did start with Bush, and the reason it hasn't improved as fast as everyone thinks is because of the Republicans NO TAXES FOR THE RICH. The previous poster was right Trickle down does not work. We need to raise taxes, and put money in to the infestructure. I will definitly vote straight Democrat, they have always been for the lower and middle class. We need to start taking care of our country and stop the wars.

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST
Posts: 51
First: February 16, 2010
Last: October 23, 2012
Obama should be in the White House; I can't think of any other candidate who had the personality or energy to fill the president's shoes; He has done a great job so far under the circumstances; It will get much better starting in 2012 if we can achieve fairness among the people rich or poor and cooperation of our governments; 

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 5:05 PM EST
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Posted by nordholm1

Unfortunately, I am afraid that Bush did have to do with the bad economy, whether you like Obama or not, he did inherit a real mess. If Bush had been the winner in these past three years, do you really believe that our economy would be better? I don't think so. At least we are down to one war. And it is going to take quite a few years before the economy starts to grow. whether a Republican or a Democrat becomes President. But please,. as a Republican of over 40 years. Please, not a Tea Party, person. please

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 5:21 PM EST
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First: December 1, 2011
Last: June 18, 2013

Neither Democrat nor Republican will do now. Now it is time for third  party!

Re: Who should be in the White House? Democrats or Republicans?

posted at December 19, 2011 6:40 PM EST
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As a historian who is not also a lobbyist, I welcome the hard fought debate of the candidates for 2012 on all levels of government. But one thing remains clear and that is that Republicans of virtually every stripe continue down the same old tried (and failed) road of trickle down economics which has resulted in 1 of 5 children living in poverty in this country and 99 per cent of us controlling less of the economy than the infamous one per cent which continues to balk at paying their fair share. What strikes me as so sad is that so many of us gray haired constituents depend upon Medicare and other social programs including infrastructure, yet we fall for the lie of the Tea Party which argues for less government. We abhor war yet those same Republicans want to establish beach heads all over the world to defend our shores and change the social structures of foreign societies as they have attempted with ours, gay marriage, marijuana, abortion rights, prayer, establishment of state religion (Christianity of course) and a slew of other infringements on individual freedom. They want their undiminished Medicare and Social Security benefits but they are against health care guarantees for their fellow Americans. Is this GRAY POWER OR GRAY AVARICE (GREED)? What happened to that Greatest Generation? It is certainly gone forever in this debate.
Posted by psfrankj


EXACTLY  psfrank !!!       What you see, over and over again, as the Democrats hold out for what’s good for the middle class, what’s good for the people in need, and the Republicans constantly hold out for something that will make the rich get richer. Whether it’s the oil companies, billionaires, or somebody else. And this only happens when the Republicans control the House. You know, in your lifetime and in my lifetime, going all the way back to Eisenhower,     three-quarters of the time there has been a Republican president, the Democrats have controlled the House.      And not once have the Democrats tried to pull this [government shutdown] stunt.      And now we’ve seen this with Clinton and seen this with Obama,     and we’re going to see it every time there’s a Democratic president and the Republicans control the House.      This is now their favorite stunt.    The threat to shut down the government, and to throw the poor people and old people and sick people into the street.
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