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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 23, 2012 10:07 PM EDT
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First: July 12, 2012
Last: May 16, 2013

All the immigration parents that I know who are citizen now, only one couple worked and have not applied for the welfare. And all of those uses Medicaid and SSI did not report their foreign income and savings.

680,000+ family sponsored immigrants for 2011 single year, 68%  of all immigrants. It is not a very small number. Our policy should change since we face the budget problem.

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 24, 2012 3:32 PM EDT
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Last: May 7, 2013
you are right but no politician (except maybe Ron Paul)  will say unpopular things like that.

I know of people from Puerto Rico who come here only for welfarre.
I also know of people who took the citizenship exam, not knowing English, just to be on welfare

Together with being "the police of the world", being 'the nursing home of the world" is ruining this country and if it will not change (and will not under Obama or Romney) we will go bankrupt and so it will have to stop.

Many rich people seem to buy houses in Europe lately...

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 24, 2012 7:16 PM EDT
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  With all due respect, the working lower and middle class pay 6.2 % of their weekly wages into the Government Social Security and Medicare system and it has kept many above the poverty level, so they could retire in old age and weakened health, with  dignity. So when you say all of us, remember the top 1% dont need Social Security like the lower and middle class Americans do. This safety net system has worked great since F.D.R. and is incentive for Americans to work hard and plan on that 6.2 % that is taken out of their paycheck every week to work for them. The Government nor anybody is giving the  lower and middle class workers anything for free. This is a Plan that we have paid for and counted on since 1939. 
  So there is no reason for us to change our way of planning, just because we now have a deficit problem caused by a $5 trillion Iraq War and lost revenue from Bush tax cuts. Social Security is a system that works for Blue Collar Americans and it is the responsiblity of OUR Government to protect our 6.2 % that we have invested. The Democrats have fought for and promised to keep this safety net and say we CAN afford it, but the Right Wing Republicans, who only seem to care about the top 1% say we cant afford to keep Medicare or Social Security.
  The Republicans say our seniors and disabled are costing us too much, but we have trillions for Wars and tax cuts for the rich. Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home:
From the Dept. of Homeland Security Annual Flow Report  April 2012 (based on 2011 data) " Immediate Relatives of U.S. Citizens Some LPR admission categories are exempt from the annual numeric limits for preference and diversity immigration. The largest category numerically is immediate relatives (spouses and children, including orphans adopted abroad, of U.S. citizens and parents of adult U.S. citizens aged 21 and over) . Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens typically account for more than 40 percent of the annual LPR flow. New LPRs in the immediate relatives and family- sponsored preference categories of admission are collectively referred to as family-sponsored immigrants." . . . . Eligibility for Naturalization Most legal permanent residents who are at least 18 years of age are eligible to apply for citizenship after meeting certain requirements. These requirements generally include 5 years of lawful permanent residency in the United States or 3 years for those married to a United States citizen and successful completion of English language, civics, and history tests. Legal immigrant children under 18 years of age may automatically acquire citizenship when a parent naturalizes" There is lots of data in this (6) page report if you care to look at it.  To become citizens there is more to it than just residency - also described in the report: "Eligibility for Naturalization Most legal permanent residents who are at least 18 years of age are eligible to apply for citizenship after meeting certain requirements. These requirements generally include 5 years of lawful permanent residency in the United States or 3 years for those married to a United States citizen and successful completion of English language, civics, and history tests." Once you are a citizen, you are afforded the rights and benefits of this privilege as the law indicates. It is our government, our elected representative that have made these laws - (both parties).  We are a humane nation - all of us - It seems to me that we as all types of citizens, ALL of us, should change our way of planning for our future and not rely on the government to provide for us. You can see the data on these "parents" coming into the country and they represent but a very small portion and many of them are not taking the benefits that we have designated for the poor, so the numbers get smaller.
Posted by GailL1

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 7:19 AM EDT
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First: July 12, 2012
Last: May 16, 2013
Our workers who paid SS and Medicare have every right to keep our retirement benefit. I absolutely agree. But the welfare eater from the world should be stopped.

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 8:53 AM EDT
Posts: 938
First: December 1, 2011
Last: May 7, 2013
i was talking about welfare, not investment as Soc. Sec. is.but because our government keeps spending money abroad (wars ((those started by Bush), "just" bombing and drones (preffered by Obama) or military bases)
and on welfare for not-deserving people our country will go bankrupt and there might be no money for deserving people and for those who paid into the system .
(Soc. Sec.)

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 12:48 PM EDT
Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home:
  With all due respect, the working lower and middle class pay 6.2 % of their weekly wages into the Government Social Security and Medicare system and it has kept many above the poverty level, so they could retire in old age and weakened health, with  dignity. So when you say all of us, remember the top 1% dont need Social Security like the lower and middle class Americans do. This safety net system has worked great since F.D.R. and is incentive for Americans to work hard and plan on that 6.2 % that is taken out of their paycheck every week to work for them. The Government nor anybody is giving the  lower and middle class workers anything for free. This is a Plan that we have paid for and counted on since 1939.    So there is no reason for us to change our way of planning, just because we now have a deficit problem caused by a $5 trillion Iraq War and lost revenue from Bush tax cuts. Social Security is a system that works for Blue Collar Americans and it is the responsiblity of OUR Government to protect our 6.2 % that we have invested. The Democrats have fought for and promised to keep this safety net and say we CAN afford it, but the Right Wing Republicans, who only seem to care about the top 1% say we cant afford to keep Medicare or Social Security.   The Republicans say our seniors and disabled are costing us too much, but we have trillions for Wars and tax cuts for the rich. Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home :
Posted by mandm84


EMPLOYERS also match this 6.2% of FIICA taxes.
The SELF EMPLOYED person pay both parts on their salary.
Higher income individuals who are employed by other or are self employed pay SS taxes up to the max limit and pay Medicare taxes on their whole salary.
As beneficiaries of Medicare, the higher income individual also pays a higher amount for Parts B and D.
Under the PPACA higher income individual will even pay more into the Medicare system.

Benefits under Social Security are based on your earnings so the more you make, the more taxes you pay into the system while working, thus the better the benefit.
So even if you consider Social Security a good plan, the individual needs to realize that the higher the salary, the higer their benefit.  That should be included in their plan.

Social Security was never designed to be a complete retirement system, only an insurance against total poverty and as we see based on today's prices of food, energy, etc. , it is hard for a person to live completely on it.  Therefore, during working years, it is wise for all of us to make plans for those later years of life, including Social Security but also other savings and investments.

We all should do more planning for the normal course of life as far as things that are within our command.  We can plan for children, we can plan for an adequate job or profession by developing skills, we can plan for getting older and not doing what we once did be that in keeping a roof over our head, food for our bodies and making arrangements for our personal care needs.  None of these things should be a surprise to us.

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 4:08 PM EDT
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  I clearly understand that business owners also pay 6.2 % for their employees Social Security and Medicare. My boss told me enough times and I would respond by telling him that it was the  hard work from me and our co - workers that helped make his business great. He got it, unlike many of today's out of touch CEO's.  Sort of like what President Obama recently said about " You Didn't Build That Alone ". Of course in  Romney's TV and Radio commercials ,he misquoted President Obama and sliced the sound bite to alter what President Obama actually said to make it sound like the President was against business owners. More Romney lies.  
   Not all blue collar workers have the good fortune and lucrative days that the top 1% have had, so they NEED Social Security to stay strong and be there for them. All the lower/ middle class workers are asking  the Republican leadership to do is preserve and strengthen Social Security. I realize its hard to live completely on Social Security alone, I get it, but I'm asking the Republicans to completely leave our Social Security alone and the lower/middle class workers can save what they can to augment our retirement. We ( I'm a middle class American) are not asking for hand outs or welfare from anybody.
  I dont care what your business is, you did not do it alone, period and I clearly understand how important ALL American workers are to the economy of this great nation.Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home:
In Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home : EMPLOYERS also match this 6.2% of FIICA taxes. The SELF EMPLOYED person pay both parts on their salary. Higher income individuals who are employed by other or are self employed pay SS taxes up to the max limit and pay Medicare taxes on their whole salary. As beneficiaries of Medicare, the higher income individual also pays a higher amount for Parts B and D. Under the PPACA higher income individual will even pay more into the Medicare system. Benefits under Social Security are based on your earnings so the more you make, the more taxes you pay into the system while working, thus the better the benefit. So even if you consider Social Security a good plan, the individual needs to realize that the higher the salary, the higer their benefit.  That should be included in their plan. Social Security was never designed to be a complete retirement system, only an insurance against total poverty and as we see based on today's prices of food, energy, etc. , it is hard for a person to live completely on it.  Therefore, during working years, it is wise for all of us to make plans for those later years of life, including Social Security but also other savings and investments. We all should do more planning for the normal course of life as far as things that are within our command.  We can plan for children, we can plan for an adequate job or profession by developing skills, we can plan for getting older and not doing what we once did be that in keeping a roof over our head, food for our bodies and making arrangements for our personal care needs.  None of these things should be a surprise to us.
Posted by GailL1

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 4:27 PM EDT
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home:
The problem is that not many people even realize the problem. There is yearly limitation for immigrants like skilled worker, but not citizen's parent. Search "citizen's parent immgration" in google you can find out the information. After 5 years immigration, they can become a citizen and entitled to every welfare our working people may not be qualified. Since they leave the personal property in foreign country, or to their kids, they can apply SSI, Medicaid, housing assistant, etc. While our working people here may have some hard earned savings and can not get those benifits. Is it fair?
Posted by lilly1966


There isn't much in life that is fair and it's easier when you are born with a silver spoon in an orface.     
Its not all about being GENEROUS to illegals or pandering to illegals either.
There are three major groups which include protozoans (organisms having only one cell), nematodes (roundworms), and cestodes (tapeworms). When reading through a list you will find more than 10 human parasites, but the most common are those that infect the intestinal track. Some even migrate into the brain, lungs, and other parts of the body. and life threatening.
TB is making a comeback....a scandal emerged just recently in Florida with our Governor supposedly hiding facts so there are other concerns  besides parasites.   We have immigrants working in hospitals---in restaurants and schools.     There  are illegals not caught in the system yet, those with green cards, visa's.     They need to get checkups and treated so they don't pass along their diseases to the rest of us through the workplace or children in schools or via handling food.     

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 25, 2012 9:40 PM EDT
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First: July 12, 2012
Last: May 16, 2013

Now other countries, like Canada, France, British, Australia, etc. are all tightening the immigration policy to try to stop the welfare eater. But not US. Our politicians dare not touch the topic....

Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home

posted at July 26, 2012 11:12 AM EDT
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First: December 1, 2011
Last: May 7, 2013
that's why civillizations fall...
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