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Currently, at least 65% of legal immigration is by family sponsored(1.2 million+ each year). There is no limitation on citizen's parent immigration. After 5 years, most parents are legal to apply med
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Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 12, 2012 8:59 PM EDT
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Posts: 49
First: July 12, 2012 Last: May 16, 2013 |
Currently, at least 65% of legal immigration is by family sponsored(1.2 million+ each year). There is no limitation on citizen's parent immigration. After 5 years, most parents are legal to apply medicaid, SSI, and house assistant or nursing home. The monthly cost from our tax money: SSI: $700 + House assistant: $800 + Medicaid: $500 + Nursing home: $5000 + In 20 years (age 65 to 85), that can easily cost 1 million dollars of our tax money per person. The problem is: the sponsor party may be rich and put the responsibility to our tax payer. Most of our retired workers can not have nursing home benefit from Medicare. It is not fare. Solution: If an immigrant apply for welfare, his/her sponsor's income and networth should be counted until he/she earned at least 40 social security points. |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 13, 2012 9:25 AM EDT
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In Response to Us should stop to be the world free nursing home: Currently, at least 65% of legal immigration is by family sponsored(1.2 million+ each year). There is no limitation on citizen's parent immigration. After 5 years, most parents are legal to apply medicaid, SSI, and house assistant or nursing home. The monthly cost from our tax money: SSI: $700 + House assistant: $800 + Medicaid: $500 + Nursing home: $5000 + In 20 years (age 65 to 85), that can easily cost 1 million dollars of our tax money per person. The problem is: the sponsor party may be rich and put the responsibility to our tax payer. Most of our retired workers can not have nursing home benefit from Medicare. It is not fare. Solution: If an immigrant apply for welfare, his/her sponsor's income and networth should be counted until he/she earned at least 40 social security points. Note: This is post at goverment web site http://wh.gov/3oKp . Posted by lilly1966 The above is news to me. If that is true...I agree the USA is too generous with immigration policies. Further, we don't even have enough decent jobs for our citizens born here and from my understanding we are still accepting legal-immigration who are taking the better jobs away....(.and they'll have parents) |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 13, 2012 1:24 PM EDT
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Most our citizens do not know this. But I do know a lot of living cases. I have a neighber who earn six digits. His mother has retirement and medical care in her native country. She is living with her son. The government pais the rent to the son, the house keeping to the daughter in law, monthly SSI to the mother, and free Medicaid. I have another neighber, she is 63 years old and is not in good health. But she has some savings so she must take care of her medical insurance. Her daughter in law's mother retired from a forein country and can enjoy Medicaid here. |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 13, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
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You can see government official immigration statistics. More than 65% immigrants are by family sponsor. After 5 years, they are legal for welfare. I am not against family re-union, but the sponsor should be responsible. I am not against immigrants as long as they work and contribute to US. http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/lpr_fr_2011.pdf |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 14, 2012 10:14 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home: You can see government official immigration statistics. More than 65% immigrants are by family sponsor. After 5 years, they are legal for welfare. I am not against family re-union, but the sponsor should be responsible. I am not against immigrants as long as they work and contribute to US. http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/lpr_fr_2011.pdf Posted by lilly1966 You said you were not against immigrants as long as they work and contribute to the USA.....but given our past decade jobs-situation how is this going to result in anything else but more welfare and medicaid to new arrivals. No one is talking about it... that I know of. You apparently became aware due to knowing these people personally. |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 14, 2012 11:29 AM EDT
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First: July 12, 2012 Last: May 16, 2013 |
Currently, the relative immigration need sponsor. But legally, the sponsor's liability only counts for up to five years. Also, we have no way to check for their foreign assets. If the sponsor need to be responsible for the welfare, it will reduce the free ride. |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 20, 2012 11:17 AM EDT
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And what can you do about it? NOTHING! We will have a nanny state, and intrerventionist all over the world (with taxpayers help) until it gets bankrupt (and it's close!). |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 20, 2012 2:15 PM EDT
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First: July 12, 2012 Last: May 16, 2013 |
Politicians seems brave on illegal immigrants issue, but reluctant on legal ones with voting power. Also, most of American people do not even know this issue. Think about it: we work 30 - 40 years, end up get social security payment $1000 - $2000, no nursing home benefit ( not in Medicare). But unlimited citizen's parent immigration can easily get house assistant, Medicaid (with nursing home benefit), and SSI. Think about 1 million immigrants each year, each one can use up our tax money around one million dollars over 20 years. Currently, over 70% of all nursing home are paid by Medicaid last year. See the web site: http://ltc.georgetown.edu/pdfs/nursinghomecosts.pdf I wonder why there is no one cares? |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 23, 2012 7:01 AM EDT
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The problem is that not many people even realize the problem. There is yearly limitation for immigrants like skilled worker, but not citizen's parent. Search "citizen's parent immgration" in google you can find out the information. After 5 years immigration, they can become a citizen and entitled to every welfare our working people may not be qualified. Since they leave the personal property in foreign country, or to their kids, they can apply SSI, Medicaid, housing assistant, etc. While our working people here may have some hard earned savings and can not get those benifits. Is it fair? |
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Re: Us should stop to be the world free nursing home
posted at July 23, 2012 9:40 AM EDT
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
From the Dept. of Homeland Security Annual Flow Report April 2012 (based on 2011 data) "Immediate Relatives of U.S. Citizens Some LPR admission categories are exempt from the annual numeric limits for preference and diversity immigration. The largest category numerically is immediate relatives (spouses and children, including orphans adopted abroad, of U.S. citizens and parents of adult U.S. citizens aged 21 and over). Immediate relatives of U.S. citizens typically account for more than 40 percent of the annual LPR flow. New LPRs in the immediate relatives and family- sponsored preference categories of admission are collectively referred to as family-sponsored immigrants." . . . . Eligibility for Naturalization Most legal permanent residents who are at least 18 years of age are eligible to apply for citizenship after meeting certain requirements. These requirements generally include 5 years of lawful permanent residency in the United States or 3 years for those married to a United States citizen and successful completion of English language, civics, and history tests. Legal immigrant children under 18 years of age may automatically acquire citizenship when a parent naturalizes" There is lots of data in this (6) page report if you care to look at it. To become citizens there is more to it than just residency - also described in the report: "Eligibility for Naturalization Most legal permanent residents who are at least 18 years of age are eligible to apply for citizenship after meeting certain requirements. These requirements generally include 5 years of lawful permanent residency in the United States or 3 years for those married to a United States citizen and successful completion of English language, civics, and history tests." Once you are a citizen, you are afforded the rights and benefits of this privilege as the law indicates. It is our government, our elected representative that have made these laws - (both parties). We are a humane nation - all of us - It seems to me that we as all types of citizens, ALL of us, should change our way of planning for our future and not rely on the government to provide for us. You can see the data on these "parents" coming into the country and they represent but a very small portion and many of them are not taking the benefits that we have designated for the poor, so the numbers get smaller. |
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