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Not even a day after offically choosing Paul Ryan as his choice for VP Romney is talking about privatizing Medicare. How does switching from Medicare thru the government to medicare partially paid fro
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Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 12, 2012 7:58 PM EDT
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Not even a day after offically choosing Paul Ryan as his choice for VP Romney is talking about privatizing Medicare. How does switching from Medicare thru the government to medicare partially paid from the government to private insurance companies "save" it? All it really does is introduce an extra player into the equation- the insurance company. Sounds like its setting you up for a situation in which the insurance companies can say "oh we cant cover you anymore because of this and this" and the government saying "oh golly that IS too bad, welp no more payments for you, but its not OUR fault!" |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 13, 2012 7:15 AM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011 Last: May 20, 2013 |
That's simply not true. As someone that had private insurance throughout my working career, one of the things I valued was freedom of choice. I could choose any of 3 level of coverage from a PPO.I could choose a high deductable plan coupled with a HSA. My wife had many medical issues, but we never had a problem staying on or receiving payment. The private insurer was more vigilent in checking for fraud. Right now I have Medicare through an HMO, it really makes things easy. Response to Romney, Ryan and Medicare: Not even a day after offically choosing Paul Ryan as his choice for VP Romney is talking about privatizing Medicare. How does switching from Medicare thru the government to medicare partially paid from the government to private insurance companies "save" it? All it really does is introduce an extra player into the equation- the insurance company. Sounds like its setting you up for a situation in which the insurance companies can say "oh we cant cover you anymore because of this and this" and the government saying "oh golly that IS too bad, welp no more payments for you, but its not OUR fault!" Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 13, 2012 8:17 AM EDT
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In Response to Romney, Ryan and Medicare: Not even a day after offically choosing Paul Ryan as his choice for VP Romney is talking about privatizing Medicare. How does switching from Medicare thru the government to medicare partially paid from the government to private insurance companies "save" it? All it really does is introduce an extra player into the equation- the insurance company. Sounds like its setting you up for a situation in which the insurance companies can say "oh we cant cover you anymore because of this and this" and the government saying "oh golly that IS too bad, welp no more payments for you, but its not OUR fault!" Posted by creppelrm There is no one that won't get REALLY sick eventually and the fact we are giving insurers a 30% profit margin is really beyond stupid. You will note that the ones who want to destroy medicare in DC won't go on a voucher program nor will they get rid of their socialist--pension system. Released research from The Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation reported the findings: U.S. patients with complex care needs were much more likely than those in 10 other high-income countries to forgo needed treatment because of costs, according to the survey. Americans are also more likely to struggle with medical debt. In the U.S., 42% reported not visiting a doctor, filling a prescription, or getting recommended care because of cost issues -- at least twice the rate of every other country but Australia, New Zealand, and Germany.
"Given how much the U.S. spends on health care, one would expect better performance," says Michelle McEvoy Doty, Ph.D, vice president of Survey Research and Evaluation with The Commonwealth Fund. Indeed, Americans spend more on healthcare than any other country: $7,960 per person in 2009, the latest figure available. Norway came in a distant second at $5,352, according to data cited by The Commonwealth Fund. NOTE that RYAN's BUDGET would allow $2500 voucher a person.....then what when a cancer treatment might cost a million $$. and you have co-pays if you can buy insurance at all. The reason they started medicare was that insurers didn't want old people, younger people with disabilities and people with End Stage Renal Disease (permanent kidney failure requiring dialysis or transplant). Now they would take us back to that time again ?? It's so crazy that I cannot believe these are educated people. |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 13, 2012 9:38 AM EDT
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First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 22, 2013 |
Some people can afford choices but a heck of a lot of others can't. Don't ask me why, ask these greedy Insurance companies that deny coverage to the Poor, Disabled, People with Preexisting conditions, and People on fixed incomes. Romney says the same as you, (you can pick the insurance that fits you the best). That is one of the most irresponsible statements any person can make especially one who could be President of the United States. That statement alone shows how out of touch he is with the people he is supposed to represent. It can't be all for the rich and the devil with the poor, disabled and elderly. Even teaparty members who are blinded and disillusioned with all of this hate are cutting off their own noses to spite their face. But they will see it. In Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: That's simply not true. As someone that had private insurance throughout my working career, one of the things I valued was freedom of choice. I could choose any of 3 level of coverage from a PPO.I could choose a high deductable plan coupled with a HSA. My wife had many medical issues, but we never had a problem staying on or receiving payment. The private insurer was more vigilent in checking for fraud. Right now I have Medicare through an HMO, it really makes things easy. Response to Romney, Ryan and Medicare : Posted by Labrat64 |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 13, 2012 6:20 PM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011 Last: May 20, 2013 |
That's simply not true. The medicare stipends will have an income component. So if you're below the poverty line or slightly above you would get more. Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: Some people can afford choices but a heck of a lot of others can't. Don't ask me why, ask these greedy Insurance companies that deny coverage to the Poor, Disabled, People with Preexisting conditions, and People on fixed incomes. Romney says the same as you, (you can pick the insurance that fits you the best). That is one of the most irresponsible statements any person can make especially one who could be President of the United States. That statement alone shows how out of touch he is with the people he is supposed to represent. It can't be all for the rich and the devil with the poor, disabled and elderly. Even teaparty members who are blinded and disillusioned with all of this hate are cutting off their own noses to spite their face. But they will see it. In Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare : Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 13, 2012 8:12 PM EDT
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First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 22, 2013 |
A person would get a fixed amount from the Govt. If you think the Govt. will tailor each individual to their spacific need, your not selling it to anyone but yourself. The purpose of the voucher system is for Republicans to save money not ensure the people who need health care are being adequately covered. Insurance companies will make sure they don't lose money, the medical institutions will make sure they won't lose money, the Govt. is making sure they are saving money so guess who get the short end of this stick? In Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: That's simply not true. The medicare stipends will have an income component. So if you're below the poverty line or slightly above you would get more. Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 14, 2012 4:56 PM EDT
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First: May 28, 2012 Last: May 15, 2013 |
Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders said it best. " Paul Ryan's Medicare Voucher system will be a Death Sentence for our disabled seniors and children ". You will have disabled seniors fighting with Private Insurance Adjusters over the phone to try and afford needed treatment. When the voucher wont cover your needed treatment, you can either go without or file bankrupcy. The Private Insurance Company lobbyist, who donated millions to Republicans Ryan, Cantor and Boehner have promised they will take good care of us. We all are just gonna have to trust Paul Ryan on this one, like we have to trust Romney on his Tax Returns. Remember the old saying " The Check's In The Mail ".Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: A person would get a fixed amount from the Govt. If you think the Govt. will tailor each individual to their spacific need, your not selling it to anyone but yourself. The purpose of the voucher system is for Republicans to save money not ensure the people who need health care are being adequately covered. Insurance companies will make sure they don't lose money, the medical institutions will make sure they won't lose money, the Govt. is making sure they are saving money so guess who get the short end of this stick? In Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare :
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 18, 2012 12:50 AM EDT
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First: August 18, 2012 Last: August 18, 2012 |
Why to pay $150 billion to insurance companies profit (25% of current medicare budget)? What happens when a senior is sick and in hospital and time comes to select a plan? One should put themselves on the shoes of a person on respirator in the hospital and whether they are capable to make a decision. Voucher system is insane for seniors. |
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 18, 2012 1:20 AM EDT
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First: May 28, 2012 Last: May 15, 2013 |
The Ryan/Romney Voucher healthcare program will only cover $8,000 for emergency medical treatment according to Independent Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Do you know how fast $8,000 will go in a hospital. One surgery will put you in bankrupcy. Anyone who votes for Romney and Ryan is crazy or a millionaire, who doesn't need Medicare and Social Security.Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: Why to pay $150 billion to insurance companies profit (25% of current medicare budget)? What happens when a senior is sick and in hospital and time comes to select a plan? One should put themselves on the shoes of a person on respirator in the hospital and whether they are capable to make a decision. Voucher system is insane for seniors.
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Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare
posted at August 20, 2012 4:58 AM EDT
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First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Romney, Ryan and Medicare: Why to pay $150 billion to insurance companies profit (25% of current medicare budget)? What happens when a senior is sick and in hospital and time comes to select a plan? One should put themselves on the shoes of a person on respirator in the hospital and whether they are capable to make a decision. Voucher system is insane for seniors. Posted by suvasshah I'm sure everyone has seen the movie "Pretty Woman" where the rich billionaire (played by Richard Gere) was in a hurtful business that made lots of money through investments that often ruined the lives of workers and their families and the companies themselves. That's Romney. That's Ryan. And we are supposed to believe these two R&R's have the best interest of seniors and the generation that follows at heart ? Apparently, some seniors do....and I hope the better informed ....can save the benefit for them too. |
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