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RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE

posted at April 22, 2012 12:34 PM EDT
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013

For starters, nobody cut anything from the Medicare budget in the health care reform bill. The actions taken in the legislation are designed to slow the growth of Medicare spending without cutting benefits. Further, not one cent that would have gone to Medicare is somehow being shifted over to a program created by Obamacare (for first time readers, I readily use the term Obamacare because I believe that this name will ultimately stand as an honor to the President who made it happen.)

With respect to the infamous $500 billion, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has made it clear that the bulk of the projected savings will come from two primary sources—ending the subsidies to health insurance companies who offer Medicare Advantage programs and reining in the growth of payments to physicians. The remainder will, hopefully, come from cutting back on the waste and fraud that have long been rampant in the Medicare system.

. Let's begin with the Medicare Advantage program. Established via the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003. the program—a Bush/GOP creation—was ostensibly invented to encourage Medicare beneficiaries to gravitate towards privately operated insurance programs pursuant to the theory that the private sector could do a better job of delivering care to our seniors than the government.

I say 'ostensibly' because the true purpose was to create a windfall for the private insurance companies who have done so much for so long for so many Republican elected officials.

The way the script played out, the private insurance companies said that they would only be able to paricipate in the program if, and only if, the government gave them a head start by agreeing to subsidize their "start up costs" until the year 2010.

As a result of the deal, Medicare found itself paying, on average, an 11% surcharge on medical services and procedures provided by Medicare Advantage plans. This was enough to guarantee the insurance providers a tidy profit fully comprised of the government subsidies, creating one of the greatest examples of corporate welfare in the history of the nation.

Not surprisingly, the health insurers took advantage of the windfall to attract customers by offering very low premium charges, not to mention free gym memberships, one pair of eyeglasses per year, spa treatments, zero co-pays and assorted other benefits not available to those who opted to take their Medicare directly from the government. And why not? The insurers don't need to make a penny from those who were insured as each customer guarantees them an 11 percent return on any medical benefit receieved courtesy of the Medicare program. Thus, they are more than happy to offer a free toaster to anyone who agrees to sign up.

What Obamacare did was put an end to the subsidies, thereby reducing future costs to the program by billions while continuing to provide Medicare beneficiaries with the benefits promised.

By any standards, this was a no-brainer in terms of reining in the growing costs of Medicare and creating a system that is fair to all beneficiaries.

Now, the doctors.

This gets a bit tricky and, to be honest, I don't really believe that these savings will ever materialize.

At the heart of the discussion is a formula that was designed during the Clinton Administration called the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate, or SGR. The approach was created in an attempt to control Medicare spending for physician services with the idea being that the yearly increase in the expense per Medicare beneficiary should be tied to the growth in GDP. Thus, when actual Medicare spending exceeds the annual target in a given year, the SGR requires that physicians, and other system providers, must take a cut in order to bring the spending back in line with the annual spending targets.

The docs, understandably, do not like the idea of taking less in their Medicare payments. As a result, Congress has been delaying the cuts for years, constantly rolling them over into the next year at which time they roll them over again and again. Were Congress to ever stop delaying the SGR cuts, the physicians would find themselves feeling the cumulative pain of the delays with a one time Medicare rate reduction in excess of 20 percent.

These cuts are factored into the Medicare savings projections, along with hoped for savings to come by encouraging physicians to try some different approaches to practicing medicine.

Will this ever happen? Probably not.

So, while a skeptic can argue that these projected savings may never materialize, one cannot argue that this is, somehow, a cut to the Medicare program.

The bottom line is that there is nothing in the ACA that takes anything away from Medicare beneficiaries, now or in the future. Yet, the GOP continues to do its best to scare the hell out of seniors, the most reliable voter block in the nation.

We need to take this very seriously.

If the 2010 elections taught us anything, it is that a frightened voter population will do some crazy things. So, it's on us to make sure that our grandparents and parents understand that the Repubican fear peddlers are selling nothing but lies and that falling for the lies could result in the end of Medicare as we know it if the Republicans are permitted to gain full control of the government.

If you would like more information on this to share with family and friends, just let me know. The effort to mislead our senior citizens worked well in 2010. We simply cannot permit it to work again in 2012.
www.motherjones.com

Re: RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE

posted at April 22, 2012 7:52 PM EDT
Posts: 467
First: December 21, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
IWhen it comes to protecting against fraud the government is probably the worst source to rely upon. Government employees have no incentive to protect our tax dollars. they just view it as other peoples money. A prime example is what's going on with the GSA scandal, where $850,000 was used to take 300 employees to Las Vegas.Other examples are the billions that were wasted on "green energy" or the how the government created the housing debacle by forcing banks to lend to borrowers that were not credit worthy. Anytime the government tries to fix something it ends up worse. We cannot follow the ways of Socialist Europe.
n Response to RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE:
For starters, nobody cut anything from the Medicare budget in the health care reform bill. The actions taken in the legislation are designed to slow the growth of Medicare spending without cutting benefits. Further, not one cent that would have gone to Medicare is somehow being shifted over to a program created by Obamacare (for first time readers, I readily use the term Obamacare because I believe that this name will ultimately stand as an honor to the President who made it happen.) With respect to the infamous $500 billion, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has made it clear that the bulk of the projected savings will come from two primary sources—ending the subsidies to health insurance companies who offer Medicare Advantage programs and reining in the growth of payments to physicians. The remainder will, hopefully, come from cutting back on the waste and fraud that have long been rampant in the Medicare system. .  Let's begin with the Medicare Advantage program. Established via the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003. the program—a Bush/GOP creation—was ostensibly invented to encourage Medicare beneficiaries to gravitate towards privately operated insurance programs pursuant to the theory that the private sector could do a better job of delivering care to our seniors than the government. I say 'ostensibly' because the true purpose was to create a windfall for the private insurance companies who have done so much for so long for so many Republican elected officials. The way the script played out, the private insurance companies said that they would only be able to paricipate in the program if, and only if, the government gave them a head start by agreeing to subsidize their "start up costs" until the year 2010. As a result of the deal, Medicare found itself paying, on average, an 11% surcharge on medical services and procedures provided by Medicare Advantage plans. This was enough to guarantee the insurance providers a tidy profit fully comprised of the government subsidies, creating one of the greatest examples of corporate welfare in the history of the nation. Not surprisingly, the health insurers took advantage of the windfall to attract customers by offering very low premium charges, not to mention free gym memberships, one pair of eyeglasses per year, spa treatments, zero co-pays and assorted other benefits not available to those who opted to take their Medicare directly from the government. And why not? The insurers don't need to make a penny from those who were insured as each customer guarantees them an 11 percent return on any medical benefit receieved courtesy of the Medicare program. Thus, they are more than happy to offer a free toaster to anyone who agrees to sign up. What Obamacare did was put an end to the subsidies, thereby reducing future costs to the program by billions while continuing to provide Medicare beneficiaries with the benefits promised. By any standards, this was a no-brainer in terms of reining in the growing costs of Medicare and creating a system that is fair to all beneficiaries. Now, the doctors. This gets a bit tricky and, to be honest, I don't really believe that these savings will ever materialize. At the heart of the discussion is a formula that was designed during the Clinton Administration called the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate, or SGR. The approach was created in an attempt to control Medicare spending for physician services with the idea being that the yearly increase in the expense per Medicare beneficiary should be tied to the growth in GDP. Thus, when actual Medicare spending exceeds the annual target in a given year, the SGR requires that physicians, and other system providers, must take a cut in order to bring the spending back in line with the annual spending targets. The docs, understandably, do not like the idea of taking less in their Medicare payments. As a result, Congress has been delaying the cuts for years, constantly rolling them over into the next year at which time they roll them over again and again. Were Congress to ever stop delaying the SGR cuts, the physicians would find themselves feeling the cumulative pain of the delays with a one time Medicare rate reduction in excess of 20 percent. These cuts are factored into the Medicare savings projections, along with hoped for savings to come by encouraging physicians to try some different approaches to practicing medicine. Will this ever happen? Probably not. So, while a skeptic can argue that these projected savings may never materialize, one cannot argue that this is, somehow, a cut to the Medicare program. The bottom line is that there is nothing in the ACA that takes anything away from Medicare beneficiaries, now or in the future. Yet, the GOP continues to do its best to scare the hell out of seniors, the most reliable voter block in the nation. We need to take this very seriously. If the 2010 elections taught us anything, it is that a frightened voter population will do some crazy things. So, it's on us to make sure that our grandparents and parents understand that the Repubican fear peddlers are selling nothing but lies and that falling for the lies could result in the end of Medicare as we know it if the Republicans are permitted to gain full control of the government. If you would like more information on this to share with family and friends, just let me know. The effort to mislead our senior citizens worked well in 2010. We simply cannot permit it to work again in 2012. www.motherjones.com
Posted by JANMB

Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare

posted at April 22, 2012 9:03 PM EDT
Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE:
Posted by JANMB


We see where you get your info.  Don't let yourself be lead blindly down a road by government.

There is a bit more to it than what motherjones has described.  If you don't see how this Medicare reduction will hurt beneficiaries, then I feel for you.  They left out a good bit.
My info is taken from the PPACA Summary as presented by the Kaiser Family Foundation - a non-profit, private operating foundation focusing on the major health care issues facing the U.S., as well as the U.S. role in global health policy.


1.  Medicare Advantage plans were added because they provided many seniors with care that they needed which Traditional Medicare did not cover - eye glasses, hearing aids.  They also provided beneficiaries in certain geographical areas access to closer by medical professionals and facilities.  Some also covered their enrolled seniors with no monthly premiums but with a schedule of co-pays, thus making it possible for these seniors to have more control of their pocket book.  Some also included their medication coverage, helping these seniors even more in the cost area. There will not be an across the board cut for all of these plans, in fact some will get bonuses tied to quality care and saving money.  So just as in the rest of Obamacare, MA (private insurance) will play a big part in watching the cost of care as dictated by HHS.  Some MA plans will go, some already have but hopefully those beneficiaries that relied upon them as a better alternative for them than Traditional Medicare will have their needs met with those that remain in the marketplace.

2. Other Reductions in payments to providers:
  •  Reduce annual market basket updates for inpatient hospital, home health, skilled nursing facility, hospice and other Medicare providers, and adjust for productivity. (Effective dates vary)
  • Reduce Medicare Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments initially by 75% and subsequently increase payments based on the percent of the population uninsured and the amount of uncompensated care provided (Effective fiscal year 2014)
  •  Eliminate the Medicare Improvement Fund. (Effective upon enactment
  • Reduce Medicare payments that would otherwise be made to hospitals by specified percentages to
    account for excess (preventable) hospital readmissions. (Effective October 1, 2012)
  • Reduce Medicare payments to certain hospitals for hospital-acquired conditions by 1%. (Effective fiscal
    year 2015)
To me, these are cuts and who knows whether or not they are going to affect care or can even be controlled to a certain extent by the hospital.  To me, medical treatment is a very individualized and complex science of which cost is a great decision maker in types of treatments.

3.  Establishment of these experimental type treatment conglomerates and a board that has, what seems to be, power to do only one thing and that is more cuts to providers. 
  •  Allow providers organized as accountable care organizations (ACOs) that voluntarily meet quality thresholds to share in the cost savings they achieve for the Medicare program. To qualify as an ACO, organizations must agree to be accountable for the overall care of their Medicare beneficiaries, have adequate participation of primary care physicians, define processes to promote evidence-basedmedicine, report on quality and costs, and coordinate care. (Shared savings program established January 1, 2012)
  • Create an Innovation Center within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to test, evaluate,
    and expand in Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP different payment structures and methodologies to
    reduce program expenditures while maintaining or improving quality of care. Payment reform models
    that improve quality and reduce the rate of cost growth could be expanded throughout the Medicare,
    Medicaid, and CHIP programs. (Effective January 1, 2011)
  • Establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board comprised of 15 members to submit legislative
    proposals containing recommendations to reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending
    if spending exceeds a target growth rate. Beginning April 2013, require the Chief Actuary of CMS to
    project whether Medicare per capita spending exceeds the average of CPI-U and CPI-M, based on a five
    year period ending that year. If so, beginning January 15, 2014, the Board will submit recommendations
    to achieve reductions in Medicare spending. Beginning January 2018, the target is modified such that
    the board submits recommendations if Medicare per capita spending exceeds GDP per capita plus one
    percent. The Board will submit proposals to the President and Congress for immediate consideration.
    The Board is prohibited from submitting proposals that would ration care, increase revenues or
    change benefits, eligibility or Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including Parts A and B premiums),
    or would result in a change in the beneficiary premium percentage or low-income subsidies under
    Part D. Hospitals and hospices (through 2019) and clinical labs (for one year) will not be subject to cost
    reductions proposed by the Board. The Board must also submit recommendations every other year to
    slow the growth in national health expenditures while preserving quality of care by January 1, 2015.

I don't know about you but all I see is MORE government getting in the way of my health care with my doctor.  HHS and CMS has a lot of power in the rules that they make for the Medicare program - these rules are then filtered on into the private market place of insurance.

You go right ahead and believe that they can take $ 500 billiion from a program that is already in the red (part A - hospital insurance) without feeling a thing - and I have a bridge to sell you in the desert.

I do wish Medicare was a program where they could just help us buy the coverage that we need as INDIVIDUALS while leaving those that are pleased with the current Traditional program in place.  The health care of seniors is very individualized based on their needs - but government will make this into "mass" medicine.  We pick out Medicare D based on our needs & pocket book, we pick our medigap or Medicare Advantage plans based on our needs & pocket book - time to start letting us pick the rest too.

Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare

posted at April 23, 2012 12:50 AM EDT
Posts: 530
First: August 9, 2011
Last: May 14, 2013
In his New York Times column Paul Krugman presents a strikingly clear explanation of the difference between the Democratic and Republican approaches to health care - a distinction between Republican "Vouchercare" and Democratic "Medicare"

Here's how Krugman explains it:

Medicare is a government-run insurance system that directly pays health-care providers. Vouchercare would cut checks to insurance companies instead. Specifically, the program would pay a fixed amount toward private health insurance -- higher for the poor, lower for the rich, but not varying at all with the actual level of premiums. If you couldn't afford a policy adequate for your needs, even with the voucher, that would be your problem.
And most seniors wouldn't be able to afford adequate coverage. A Congressional Budget Office analysis found that to get coverage equivalent to what they have now, older Americans would have to pay vastly more out of pocket under the Paul Ryan plan than they would if Medicare as we know it was preserved.






n Response to Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare:
In Response to RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE : We see where you get your info.  Don't let yourself be lead blindly down a road by government. There is a bit more to it than what motherjones has described.  If you don't see how this Medicare reduction will hurt beneficiaries, then I feel for you.  They left out a good bit. My info is taken from the PPACA Summary as presented by the Kaiser Family Foundation - a non-profit, private operating foundation focusing on the major health care issues facing the U.S., as well as the U.S. role in global health policy. 1.  Medicare Advantage plans were added because they provided many seniors with care that they needed which Traditional Medicare did not cover - eye glasses, hearing aids.  They also provided beneficiaries in certain geographical areas access to closer by medical professionals and facilities.  Some also covered their enrolled seniors with no monthly premiums but with a schedule of co-pays, thus making it possible for these seniors to have more control of their pocket book.  Some also included their medication coverage, helping these seniors even more in the cost area. There will not be an across the board cut for all of these plans, in fact some will get bonuses tied to quality care and saving money.  So just as in the rest of Obamacare, MA (private insurance) will play a big part in watching the cost of care as dictated by HHS.  Some MA plans will go, some already have but hopefully those beneficiaries that relied upon them as a better alternative for them than Traditional Medicare will have their needs met with those that remain in the marketplace. 2. Other Reductions in payments to providers:  Reduce annual market basket updates for inpatient hospital, home health, skilled nursing facility, hospice and other Medicare providers, and adjust for productivity. (Effective dates vary) Reduce Medicare Disproportionate Share Hospital (DSH) payments initially by 75% and subsequently increase payments based on the percent of the population uninsured and the amount of uncompensated care provided (Effective fiscal year 2014)  Eliminate the Medicare Improvement Fund. (Effective upon enactment Reduce Medicare payments that would otherwise be made to hospitals by specified percentages to account for excess (preventable) hospital readmissions. (Effective October 1, 2012) Reduce Medicare payments to certain hospitals for hospital-acquired conditions by 1%. (Effective fiscal year 2015) To me, these are cuts and who knows whether or not they are going to affect care or can even be controlled to a certain extent by the hospital.  To me, medical treatment is a very individualized and complex science of which cost is a great decision maker in types of treatments. 3.  Establishment of these experimental type treatment conglomerates and a board that has, what seems to be, power to do only one thing and that is more cuts to providers.   Allow providers organized as accountable care organizations (ACOs) that voluntarily meet quality thresholds to share in the cost savings they achieve for the Medicare program. To qualify as an ACO, organizations must agree to be accountable for the overall care of their Medicare beneficiaries, have adequate participation of primary care physicians, define processes to promote evidence-basedmedicine, report on quality and costs, and coordinate care. (Shared savings program established January 1, 2012) Create an Innovation Center within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to test, evaluate, and expand in Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP different payment structures and methodologies to reduce program expenditures while maintaining or improving quality of care. Payment reform models that improve quality and reduce the rate of cost growth could be expanded throughout the Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP programs. (Effective January 1, 2011) Establish an Independent Payment Advisory Board comprised of 15 members to submit legislative proposals containing recommendations to reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending if spending exceeds a target growth rate. Beginning April 2013, require the Chief Actuary of CMS to project whether Medicare per capita spending exceeds the average of CPI-U and CPI-M, based on a five year period ending that year. If so, beginning January 15, 2014, the Board will submit recommendations to achieve reductions in Medicare spending. Beginning January 2018, the target is modified such that the board submits recommendations if Medicare per capita spending exceeds GDP per capita plus one percent. The Board will submit proposals to the President and Congress for immediate consideration. The Board is prohibited from submitting proposals that would ration care, increase revenues or change benefits, eligibility or Medicare beneficiary cost sharing (including Parts A and B premiums), or would result in a change in the beneficiary premium percentage or low-income subsidies under Part D. Hospitals and hospices (through 2019) and clinical labs (for one year) will not be subject to cost reductions proposed by the Board. The Board must also submit recommendations every other year to slow the growth in national health expenditures while preserving quality of care by January 1, 2015. I don't know about you but all I see is MORE government getting in the way of my health care with my doctor.  HHS and CMS has a lot of power in the rules that they make for the Medicare program - these rules are then filtered on into the private market place of insurance. You go right ahead and believe that they can take $ 500 billiion from a program that is already in the red (part A - hospital insurance) without feeling a thing - and I have a bridge to sell you in the desert. I do wish Medicare was a program where they could just help us buy the coverage that we need as INDIVIDUALS while leaving those that are pleased with the current Traditional program in place.  The health care of seniors is very individualized based on their needs - but government will make this into "mass" medicine.  We pick out Medicare D based on our needs & pocket book, we pick our medigap or Medicare Advantage plans based on our needs & pocket book - time to start letting us pick the rest too.
Posted by GailL1


Re: RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE

posted at April 24, 2012 6:40 PM EDT
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE:
IWhen it comes to protecting against fraud the government is probably the worst source to rely upon. Government employees have no incentive to protect our tax dollars. they just view it as other peoples money. A prime example is what's going on with the GSA scandal, where $850,000 was used to take 300 employees to Las Vegas.Other examples are the billions that were wasted on "green energy" or the how the government created the housing debacle by forcing banks to lend to borrowers that were not credit worthy. Anytime the government tries to fix something it ends up worse. We cannot follow the ways of Socialist Europe. n Response to RETURN OF THE BIG GOP MEDICARE LIE :
Posted by Labrat64


WHO HAD  TO  BAILED OUT WALL STREET not long ago.    Short memory.     The GOVT is WE THE PEOPLE.   Short memory.   .   IT may not be perfect but  corporations today are globalized and they are not patriotic at least WE THE PEOPLE or our GOVT is still patriotic or try to be.  
I
n reality, the 110th Congress would have achieved truly landmark accomplishments—including safely bringing the troops home from Iraq, reducing America's dependence on foreign oil and its contribution to global warming, and funding long-neglected domestic priorities—had it not been for conservative obstruction.


If you don't want to follow "socialist Europe"   then don't use the socialist public library,   the national parks,   provide your own fire and police protection, don't use public roads and bridges....... and then grow your own food,  make your own clothes ... if you want to rely just on yourself.      

We have had social security and medicare that seniors LOVE.    and  Soc Security has never missed a paycheck in 70+ years.     W
   

Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare

posted at April 24, 2012 6:47 PM EDT
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare:
In his New York Times column Paul Krugman presents a strikingly clear explanation of the difference between the Democratic and Republican approaches to health care - a distinction between Republican "Vouchercare" and Democratic "Medicare" Here's how Krugman explains it: Medicare is a government-run insurance system that directly pays health-care providers. Vouchercare would cut checks to insurance companies instead. Specifically, the program would pay a fixed amount toward private health insurance -- higher for the poor, lower for the rich, but not varying at all with the actual level of premiums. If you couldn't afford a policy adequate for your needs, even with the voucher, that would be your problem. And most seniors wouldn't be able to afford adequate coverage. A Congressional Budget Office analysis found that to get coverage equivalent to what they have now, older Americans would have to pay vastly more out of pocket under the Paul Ryan plan than they would if Medicare as we know it was preserved. n Response to Re: Here's Your Method of Cuts to Medicare :
Posted by creppelrm


There is no need to have such misinformation out there....it makes me crazy.    It’s not about squeezing money out of Medicare and putting it somewhere else in health reform. It’s about changing the way we pay so that we all [government and beneficiaries] get more for the dollars we spend.     The reason MEDICARE was created is because insurers didn't want to insure old people and the voucher program would send us back there again and not only that......most seniors couldn't afford the coverage as you so wisely stated.   

Medicare and Social Security were not created for people who didn't need these benefits.     Apparently, some people  want everything designated to go towards  the already wealthy as if they needed more help.  .  .  

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