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Remember how about a month ago Obama railed against the "speculators" who he said were driving up the price of oil. WTI had climbed to about $115/barrel. WTI is down to around $87/barrel today. You do
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A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 30, 2012 6:30 PM EDT
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Last: May 20, 2013
Remember how about a month ago Obama railed against the "speculators" who he said were driving up the price of oil. WTI had climbed to about $115/barrel. WTI is down to around $87/barrel today. You don't hear any more talk from the president, although I'm surprised he doesn't take credit for it. The simple fact is that the price of commodities, be they oil, gas, wheat, corn, sugar or anything else is determined by a balance of supply and demand and ANTICIPATION of changes. In the case of oil the price went up because of fears of the iran situation and hopes that there may be a recovery. It went down when the Saudis and Iraquis added to the supply and we realized that the economy is still in the tank. What amazes me is that Obama tells how the unemployment rate is dropping, something the lamestream media have seized upon, but fails to note that such a high number of workers are out of work. Only 75% of the workers in the 25-54 age group, the prime working age, are employed. This contrasts with 80% of that population before Obama came in. A large part of this situation is due to the fact that his administration has placed such onerous regulations on businesses that they will not hire. For those of you who think only fossil fuels are effected, I saw this interesting piece on how EPA regs are placing California strawberries on the endangered list, because they are forbidding the use of MeBr which is used as a pesticide. No other substitute is currently available.

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 30, 2012 9:19 PM EDT
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Wind farms have gone from impressive sights to eyesores.  It takes about 50 years to recoup the costs if not for our tax dollars being squandered on subsidizing this boondoggle.  Capitalism would not support this stupidity.

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 31, 2012 5:19 AM EDT
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In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
Remember how about a month ago Obama railed against the "speculators" who he said were driving up the price of oil. WTI had climbed to about $115/barrel. WTI is down to around $87/barrel today. You don't hear any more talk from the president, although I'm surprised he doesn't take credit for it. The simple fact is that the price of commodities, be they oil, gas, wheat, corn, sugar or anything else is determined by a balance of supply and demand and ANTICIPATION of changes. In the case of oil the price went up because of fears of the iran situation and hopes that there may be a recovery. It went down when the Saudis and Iraquis added to the supply and we realized that the economy is still in the tank. What amazes me is that Obama tells how the unemployment rate is dropping, something the lamestream media have seized upon, but fails to note that such a high number of workers are out of work. Only 75% of the workers in the 25-54 age group, the prime working age, are employed. This contrasts with 80% of that population before Obama came in. A large part of this situation is due to the fact that his administration has placed such onerous regulations on businesses that they will not hire. For those of you who think only fossil fuels are effected, I saw this interesting piece on how EPA regs are placing California strawberries on the endangered list, because they are forbidding the use of MeBr which is used as a pesticide. No other substitute is currently available.
Posted by Labrat64


Obama has a bunch of economists working with him that know more than your FOX news pundits.    The republicans in Sept voted against penalizing companies for going overseas....they won't support a JOBS BILL. If Obama was a dictator we would have all you want & we all want...the conservative obstruction where the Obama-democrats never had the 2/3 of senate 60 votes and the republicans used the fillibuster and silent holds for not getting things done. Now Obama is getting the blame for IT.. GOOD JOB republican party you did it again success in spreading your propaganda .
The Bush tax cuts around 2003 didn't just produce fewer jobs than advertised. They didn't produce any private sector jobs at all. The whole experiment in handing over money to the wealthiest people was a colossal -- empirically verifiable -- failure. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years. Obama inherited GW's mess....and we are just starting to recover when people want to vote the republicans back into power ? OMG

So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative? It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.


What are you suggesting for a FINALE here------it's better to  vote for the The greed-heads who are coming for us, with their Ryan Budget and their Medicare vouchers and their Social Security cuts and their Medicaid block grants and their student vouchers and their privatization. Now, they're coming for us

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 31, 2012 7:35 AM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011
Last: May 20, 2013
I'm saying obama doesn't have a clue as to how to run the economy. sure, he's surrounded by economists. These are academics that never held a real job, just like obama. When you ask real world business leaders what the government could do to improve the economy and get business moving they all agree that the government regulation is stifling business and the best way to get things molving is to get out of the way. Obamacare adds adds a layer of uncertainty to business. Dodd-Frankenstein is a total disaster. Small banks must play by the same rules as large money center banks. The effect of this is to make it impossible for these banks to do business and make loans to the small businesses that need it the most.   Businesses that move operations overseas do so because of the onerous regulations iimposed on them by the government. Between EPA, OSHA and the NLRB there is enough to make any company consider against expanding in the US. And...BTW besides my degrees in chemistry, I hold an MBA. I was very much involved in dealing with real world customers and the situations facing them. I'm also familiar with how unions operate. Basically, everyone is brought down to the level of the most incompetent employee. That is what's destroying our economy!!!

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In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory. : Obama has a bunch of economists working with him that know more than your FOX news pundits.    The republicans in Sept voted against penalizing companies for going overseas....they won't support a JOBS BILL. If Obama was a dictator we would have all you want & we all want...the conservative obstruction where the Obama-democrats never had the 2/3 of senate 60 votes and the republicans used the fillibuster and silent holds for not getting things done. Now Obama is getting the blame for IT.. GOOD JOB republican party you did it again success in spreading your propaganda . The Bush tax cuts around 2003 didn't just produce fewer jobs than advertised. They didn't produce any private sector jobs at all. The whole experiment in handing over money to the wealthiest people was a colossal -- empirically verifiable -- failure. The Bush administration created about three million jobs (net) over its eight years. Obama inherited GW's mess....and we are just starting to recover when people want to vote the republicans back into power ? OMG So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative? It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office. What are you suggesting for a FINALE here------it's better to  vote for the T he greed-heads who are coming for us, with their Ryan Budget and their Medicare vouchers and their Social Security cuts and their Medicaid block grants and their student vouchers and their privatization. Now, they're coming for us
Posted by JANMB

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 31, 2012 10:09 AM EDT
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First: August 9, 2011
Last: May 19, 2013
What you write is Fox News side of the story.   The other reason price of oil is dropping is demand is down due to Europe's economy which is in shambles (which has nothing to do with Obama) and driving the price down.  If I remember correctly this mess started on the other President's watch when our loan institutions invested heavily in those (Socialist)  European economies and were dragged down when Europe started going down.  Speculators did drive up the price of oil when Iran was stupidly threatening Shipping on the Gulf but that is gone for now so they did have some to do with the price going up (that Obama took care of).  But the President has nothing to do with the price going up or down outside of this country.  World economies do.  But the President should take credit for the price dropping, Mitt would since he is crediting himself for bailing out the Auto Industry.   The only thing the main stream media does is print what they observe, not exactly what you want to hear.    Sometimes it's hard to handle the truth especially if you belong to the Tea Party.
ONe other thing if it wasn't for the Govt. banning the use of DDT a while back we wouldn't  have any water fowl left here in Louisiana and no telling what else.  Even you as a chemist know the dangers of using chemicals without knowing to long term effects of the agents.  When it comes to money we rush into things regardless of the consequences.   If people need jobs they ought to move here to Louisiana,  I see ads in the local paper that the oil fields are hiring and can't find enough workers.  Drilling is up 17% and not workers can be found.


In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
Remember how about a month ago Obama railed against the "speculators" who he said were driving up the price of oil. WTI had climbed to about $115/barrel. WTI is down to around $87/barrel today. You don't hear any more talk from the president, although I'm surprised he doesn't take credit for it. The simple fact is th)at the price of commodities, be they oil, gas, wheat, corn, sugar or anything else is determined by a balance of supply and demand and ANTICIPATION of changes. In the case of oil the price went up because of fears of the iran situation and hopes that there may be a recovery. It went down when the Saudis and Iraquis added to the supply and we realized that the economy is still in the tank. What amazes me is that Obama tells how the unemployment rate is dropping, something the lamestream media have seized upon, but fails to note that such a high number of workers are out of work. Only 75% of the workers in the 25-54 age group, the prime working age, are employed. This contrasts with 80% of that population before Obama came in. A large part of this situation is due to the fact that his administration has placed such onerous regulations on businesses that they will not hire. For those of you who think only fossil fuels are effected, I saw this interesting piece on how EPA regs are placing California strawberries on the endangered list, because they are forbidding the use of MeBr which is used as a pesticide. No other substitute is currently available.
Posted by Labrat64

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 31, 2012 6:21 PM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011
Last: May 20, 2013
My point was that the price of oil is determined by market forces. As far as "speculators" are concerned I'm sure many got burned when the price of oil dropped from $115/barrel down to $87/barrel. You pays your money and you takes your chances-that's the way it works. Besides, many of those so-called speculators were just hedging. A trucking firm, a cruise ship line or a heating oil company will buy these futures. If they lock in to a price and it goes up they win. If it goes down they lose. But...that's the way the system works. It also helps to have national energy resources. The psychological effect of knowing that oil is available tends to act as a stabiliser. DDT, first synthesized by Dr. Paul Mueller in Switzerland saved countless lives. And...I can assure you that while I do get information from FOX Business (the power to prosper) most of it comes from other sources. Us scientists know that all information received must be corroborated.
   Response to Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
What you write is Fox News side of the story.   The other reason price of oil is dropping is demand is down due to Europe's economy which is in shambles (which has nothing to do with Obama) and driving the price down.  If I remember correctly this mess started on the other President's watch when our loan institutions invested heavily in those (Socialist)  European economies and were dragged down when Europe started going down.  Speculators did drive up the price of oil when Iran was stupidly threatening Shipping on the Gulf but that is gone for now so they did have some to do with the price going up (that Obama took care of).  But the President has nothing to do with the price going up or down outside of this country.  World economies do.  But the President should take credit for the price dropping, Mitt would since he is crediting himself for bailing out the Auto Industry.   The only thing the main stream media does is print what they observe, not exactly what you want to hear.    Sometimes it's hard to handle the truth especially if you belong to the Tea Party. ONe other thing if it wasn't for the Govt. banning the use of DDT a while back we wouldn't  have any water fowl left here in Louisiana and no telling what else.  Even you as a chemist know the dangers of using chemicals without knowing to long term effects of the agents.  When it comes to money we rush into things regardless of the consequences.   If people need jobs they ought to move here to Louisiana,  I see ads in the local paper that the oil fields are hiring and can't find enough workers.  Drilling is up 17% and not workers can be found. In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory. :
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Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at May 31, 2012 8:21 PM EDT
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Regardless  the history of DDT it is Banned and we are better off without it or it would still be here.  And believe or not the EPA regulations and others were more stringent under George W than under Obama administration "HOT of THE PRESS, AP Washington.  What you write about these regulation I wouldn't say is ignorance but misinformed by listening to FOX. 

Response to Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
My point was that the price of oil is determined by market forces. As far as "speculators" are concerned I'm sure many got burned when the price of oil dropped from $115/barrel down to $87/barrel. You pays your money and you takes your chances-that's the way it works. Besides, many of those so-called speculators were just hedging. A trucking firm, a cruise ship line or a heating oil company will buy these futures. If they lock in to a price and it goes up they win. If it goes down they lose. But...that's the way the system works. It also helps to have national energy resources. The psychological effect of knowing that oil is available tends to act as a stabiliser. DDT, first synthesized by Dr. Paul Mueller in Switzerland saved countless lives. And...I can assure you that while I do get information from FOX Business (the power to prosper) most of it comes from other sources. Us scientists know that all information received must be corroborated.    Response to Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory. :
Posted by Labrat64

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posted at June 3, 2012 5:33 AM EDT
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In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
Remember how about a month ago Obama railed against the "speculators" who he said were driving up the price of oil. WTI had climbed to about $115/barrel. WTI is down to around $87/barrel today. You don't hear any more talk from the president, although I'm surprised he doesn't take credit for it. The simple fact is that the price of commodities, be they oil, gas, wheat, corn, sugar or anything else is determined by a balance of supply and demand and ANTICIPATION of changes. In the case of oil the price went up because of fears of the iran situation and hopes that there may be a recovery. It went down when the Saudis and Iraquis added to the supply and we realized that the economy is still in the tank. What amazes me is that Obama tells how the unemployment rate is dropping, something the lamestream media have seized upon, but fails to note that such a high number of workers are out of work. Only 75% of the workers in the 25-54 age group, the prime working age, are employed. This contrasts with 80% of that population before Obama came in. A large part of this situation is due to the fact that his administration has placed such onerous regulations on businesses that they will not hire. For those of you who think only fossil fuels are effected, I saw this interesting piece on how EPA regs are placing California strawberries on the endangered list, because they are forbidding the use of MeBr which is used as a pesticide. No other substitute is currently available.
Posted by Labrat64


My grandparents grew strawberries & didn't use MeBr ...the chemical companies are complaining though cause they can't poison us.      
But overall,  now maybe you are beginning to realize  what your vote for Bush & republicans have cost not only you....but the entire country. when republicans handed down a complete mess and never FIXED anything in 8 years time.   Obama has a panel of economists & gets a daily economic briefing from  the chief White House economic adviser.
Christina D. Romer, the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers.     It's going to be a long road back again to sanity.
   

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posted at June 3, 2012 5:37 AM EDT
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Regardless  the history of DDT it is Banned and we are better off without it or it would still be here.  And believe or not the EPA regulations and others were more stringent under George W than under Obama administration "HOT of THE PRESS, AP Washington.  What you write about these regulation I wouldn't say is ignorance but misinformed by listening to FOX.  Response to Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory. :
Posted by creppelrm


That explains a lot    "GETS HIS NEWS FROM FOX  ? "     Saudi billionaire, Al-waleed bin Talal, friend of News Corp chairman Rupert Murdoch controls an influential number of voting shares & News Corp owns Fox News, which is one of the leading sources of mis-information.     But the Saudis are our friends.....I think.....hmmm   aren't they....except when they bombed the towers.

Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.

posted at June 3, 2012 9:09 AM EDT
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IThey probably didn't have much of a yield either. Most of our abundant harvest is due to "chemistry", be it hybrid seeds that produce plants that resist pests our the pesticides anf herbicides themselves. Obama's "economiists" are Paul Krugman type Socialists that believe in stimulus. The problem is that the piper must be paid. The socalled entitlement programs must be modified. My grandchildren should not have to pay for the out of hand spending that obama is doing to get votes. Again, I guess it's difficult for people who have their hands for "obama money" to understand that we must be resaponsible.
In Response to Re: A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory.:
In Response to A President who has No Understanding of Basic Economic Theory. : My grandparents grew strawberries & didn't use MeBr ...the chemical companies are complaining though cause they can't poison us.       But overall,  now maybe you are beginning to realize  what your vote for Bush & republicans have cost not only you....but the entire country. when republicans handed down a complete mess and never FIXED anything in 8 years time.   Obama has a panel of economists & gets a daily economic briefing from  the chief White House economic adviser. Christina D. Romer , the chairwoman of the Council of Economic Advisers .     It's going to be a long road back again to sanity.    
Posted by JANMB

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