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Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at October 19, 2011 12:28 AM EDT
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Occupy Wall Street Movement

It seems there is a misunderstanding by many people of why the demonstrators on Wall Street are demonstrating.

Seniors are there because of cuts lawmakers are debating in Washington D.C. to Social Security and Medicare. Young people are there demonstrating cuts to education and wanting jobs created. There are people demonstrating rising health care cost. Native Americans are there to demonstrate for the unfair treatment they have received throughout the years by the Government. Others are demonstrating due to the large corporate bailouts. But for the entire group of demonstrators, the root cause of all of these problems is corporate greed and our lawmaker's refusal to recognize that the rich must pay their fair share.

The demonstrators call these rich individuals the 1%. The 1% spend millions of dollars influencing our lawmakers and the policies they adopt. The 1% contribute millions to lawmakers' campaigns. The demonstrators want to know why they can't pay taxes. The 1% are getting richer even in these times but the middle class continues to decline. The 1% are cutting costs in their companies by eliminating jobs or sending them overseas where they get cheap labor. And our lawmakers allow these things to happen because they owe the 1% for campaign contributions and no telling what else. In reality the 1% own our lawmakers.

What started as a small demonstration on Wall Street is growing and spreading to every major city in the United States and is now spreading all over the World. All due to one root cause and that is corporate greed and lawmakers' reluctance to control it. Our lawmakers must remember that the 99% I haven't mentioned yet are the majority of voters.
Russell M. Creppel

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at October 21, 2011 9:19 AM EDT
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Some say they don't know what the OCCUPY wants.    Since words spoken are so easily forgotten,  I think the signs that are printed up and carried around are a good idea.     Anyone who can read will figure out what people all over this country and now globally are so angry about.    It would be easy if there was only one-thing,  but there are so many things that are plain wrong.     
When RYAN came out with his republicanized   budget that would have given more tax breaks to the richest and said to the rest of us  who are the  99%  that we need to do the sacrificing for the mistakes of WALL STREET. ....maybe that was  "the last straw that broke the camel's back"   

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at October 31, 2011 7:25 AM EDT
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First: October 31, 2011
Last: October 31, 2011
In Response to Occupy Wall Street Movement:
Occupy Wall Street Movement It seems there is a misunderstanding by many people of why the demonstrators on Wall Street are demonstrating. Seniors are there because of cuts lawmakers are debating in Washington D.C . to Social Security and Medicare. Young people are there demonstrating cuts to education and wanting jobs created. There are people demonstrating rising health care cost. Native Americans are there to demonstrate for the unfair treatment they have received throughout the years by the Government. Others are demonstrating due to the large corporate bailouts. But for the entire group of demonstrators, the root cause of all of these problems is corporate greed and our lawmaker's refusal to recognize that the rich must pay their fair share. The demonstrators call these rich individuals the 1%. The 1% spend millions of dollars influencing our lawmakers and the policies they adopt. The 1% contribute millions to lawmakers' campaigns. The demonstrators want to know why they can't pay taxes. The 1% are getting richer even in these times but the middle class continues to decline. The 1% are cutting costs in their companies by eliminating jobs or sending them overseas where they get cheap labor. And our lawmakers allow these things to happen because they owe the 1% for campaign contributions and no telling what else. In reality the 1% own our lawmakers. What started as a small demonstration on Wall Street is growing and spreading to every major city in the United States and is now spreading all over the World. All due to one root cause and that is corporate greed and lawmakers' reluctance to control it. Our lawmakers must remember that the 99% I haven't mentioned yet are the majority of voters. Russell M. Creppel
Posted by creppelrm


Wow now thats a different twist on why they are protesting. I have spoken with several of the protesters and they clearly are on the give me train. They want us taxpayers too pay for their ENTIRE college education and then provide them with a job. Last time I checked this is still a free country where people pay taxes. They want jobs.. Well unfortunately they do not want to do many of the jobs available(or are not qualified) for the wages that are being offered. Second the Unions have invaded our governments(Federal and state) raising wages and benefits to an unstainable level. They have become unmarketableand unwilling to work for wages the market will bear. Claiming to be the 99% is a huge stretch. I cannot find one person that supports their point of view OR demand... Clearly they must be the 1% wanting the continuance of government taking away from fellow Americans...

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at October 31, 2011 8:18 PM EDT
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If you are in that 1% that owns banks, big corporations, outsourcing jobs ,plus making millions and not paying taxes while the rest of the country is in a recession.  Yes, you should pay your fair share.  if you don't fit the above,  I don't think they care what you pay. As an education is concerned. It would be in the best interest of this country to eduate these kids for nothing. Educating a kid is an investment to this country not a burden. Sounds like you may be retired military. How much the country invested educating you while you were in.






In Response to Occupy Wall Street Movement : Wow now thats a different twist on why they are protesting. I have spoken with several of the protesters and they clearly are on the give me train. They want us taxpayers too pay for their ENTIRE college education and then provide them with a job. Last time I checked this is still a free country where people pay taxes. They want jobs.. Well unfortunately they do not want to do many of the jobs available(or are not qualified) for the wages that are being offered. Second the Unions have invaded our governments(Federal and state) raising wages and benefits to an unstainable level. They have become unmarketableand unwilling to work for wages the market will bear. Claiming to be the 99% is a huge stretch. I cannot find one person that supports their point of view OR demand... Clearly they must be the 1% wanting the continuance of government taking away from fellow Americans...
Posted by TSgtRock

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at November 4, 2011 9:13 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement:
In Response to Occupy Wall Street Movement : Wow now thats a different twist on why they are protesting. I have spoken with several of the protesters and they clearly are on the give me train. They want us taxpayers too pay for their ENTIRE college education and then provide them with a job. Last time I checked this is still a free country where people pay taxes. They want jobs.. Well unfortunately they do not want to do many of the jobs available(or are not qualified) for the wages that are being offered. Second the Unions have invaded our governments(Federal and state) raising wages and benefits to an unstainable level. They have become unmarketableand unwilling to work for wages the market will bear. Claiming to be the 99% is a huge stretch. I cannot find one person that supports their point of view OR demand... Clearly they must be the 1% wanting the continuance of government taking away from fellow Americans...
Posted by TSgtRock


The best countries to live in today have FREE college....have the best  educated people and you can't have a thriving  democracy without people having  logical thoughts.     Further  If you want a thriving capitalist economy, low pension age, 6 weeks vacation, high standard of living, low fertility rate and well-developed social welfare and health systems among the best organized and effective world wide based on relatively wide-ranging autonomy ..... NO   YOU CAN"T MOVE THERE....Austria doesn't want you.     Neither does France or Germany. or Sweden  or Austrailia or Norway.  . You are STUCK here in the USA unless you are already rich you don't' care..     If you aren't rich but stick up for the rich anyway and the poor system we have .......you could become disabled as soon as tomorrow ...then you'll be happy there is gov't socialized society security and medicare because Wall Street won't help ya....neither will the republican party who don't support any social benefits.         .

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at December 1, 2011 2:56 PM EST
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People are angry at the way this country is led (I don't mean Obama--it really doesn't matter who, whoever it is it is  bought  by the establishment=1%).

And everyone there has details--how reasonable may differ.

People are HURTING and they want our "leaders" to know that (before that they pretended not to know)

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at December 2, 2011 10:41 AM EST
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TRUE ASTRA----
It took some time for the truth to hit home where  there are 100 million people  ( who  work or are retired ) who live in poverty or around the level of poverty. This is too rich a country for this to exist and Americans who are the 99% are getting cheated out of a share no matter if you are poor or middle class.....you are getting less than you actually deserve. . The top 1% in America own 37% of all the wealth.     The top 1% enjoy more than 20% of all the income.

 

Since 1979, the average income of the top 1% increased by $700,000, while the average income for the bottom 90% actually decreased by $900.       And that this has given America the fifth most unequal distribution of wealth in the entire world.

 

So – who made it this way? The nurses, fast-food workers, teachers, cashiers, police officers and secretaries? Or the 1 percent at the top and their co-conspirators they pay off and own to make it that way ?

 

They think we will all go home and accept this as our fate....get back into your cages, they are telling us. Return to watching the lies, absurdities, trivia and celebrity gossip we feed you in 24-hour cycles on television.

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at December 9, 2011 4:19 PM EST
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Democrats do not close your eyes as this is from (gulp) Fox news.
But Judge Napolitano might be the only honest one there.
watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX41SkKN0tQ&feature=g-allts

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at December 9, 2011 4:46 PM EST
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dear taxpayer,
you might be interested in that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o9BBNUBs1w

Re: Occupy Wall Street Movement

posted at December 10, 2011 2:53 PM EST
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The “Occupiers” are Right

 

I think it’s no secret that the Occupy Wall Street movement is right, I just think they are not sure why, or what to do about it.  A short history lesson should help.  It was Henry Ford who said, “There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible.”  He believed that every one of his employees should be able to afford the products he was manufacturing.  Taking this to heart, he worked with the unions to set the United States on the road to prosperity and helped make the US the greatest nation in the world.  But in the early 60’s, the morals of corporate leadership started to change.  It began with the idea that products could be made cheaper in countries that had lower labor costs.  The electronics industry was the first to leave the US.  It went to Japan, where we taught the Japanese the technology to make the consumer products that would be imported and sold in the US.  We even taught them how to build automobiles.  Consumer prices didn’t go down, so the difference in the cost to manufacture and the selling price became profits for the corporations.  The CEO’s that sent the factory jobs over seas became corporate heroes.

 

In the 70’s, the Middle East wanted to get into the high profits arena, so they tripled the price of a gallon of gasoline virtually overnight and that has helped make Exxon the most profitable company on the planet.  This put increased pressure on the corporations to maintain profits so that in the 80’s even more industries, seeing the success that the electronics industry was having, started to move more factory jobs out of the US.  By this time, however, the Japanese people had reached a level of prosperity that rivalled the US, and they no longer had the lowest labor cost.  The Japanese started to move their manufacturing to China.  The cost of labor was cheap and natural resources were plentiful, since China had no consumer market to speak of.  Again, seeing the success that the Japanese were having in China and South East Asia, the US corporations started transferring US factory jobs there.  Soon, the furniture industry, the clothing industry, and even the toy industry followed the electronics industry to Asia, all in the name of profits for the US corporations.

 

It was in the late 90’s – early 2000’s that the folly of sending your consumer products manufacturing jobs to another country hit Japan.  Their economy started to falter and has yet to recover.  The US didn’t get caught up in Japan’s turmoil at the time because we had the infamous Internet bubble that was going to make everyone in America rich.  We know how that turned out.  To keep the economy going after the Internet bubble, Congress and the Federal Bank came up with a scheme to make housing a consumer product.  The effects of that boondoggle will be around for years, as the banks still have millions of foreclosed homes in their inventory that they won’t put on the market until the US economy turns around, if ever.  After all, putting the houses on the market would only further depress housing prices and put even more people “under water” in their mortgages.  At the same time, there’s nothing in particular the banks can do with whatever cash that they would get from selling the houses.

 

The last thirty or so years of off-shoring “value-added” manufacturing jobs of consumer products from the US is what has caused the disparity in incomes that the Occupy Wall Street people are protesting.  The Government’s own figures show that the incomes of the top 1% have increased 275% during this time while the incomes of the lowest 80% has improved only 3%.

 

But, there is some good news.  Even though the late Steve Jobs’ Apple factory in China is still little more than a “sweat shop”, the Chinese factory workers now want to be able to afford the products that they have been manufacturing for years, so they have started unions of sorts and have had strikes to force the US corporations to increase their wages.  The Communist government likes this idea because they get increased payroll taxes when the workers’ wages go up.  You would think that our Congress would understand this principle and do whatever they could to get consumer product manufacturing back in the US instead of creating “free” trade agreements with the countries that take the high paying factory jobs from us and then allow the finished products into the US with no taxes or tariffs imposed.  The US is the only country that does this.  Almost all of our “free” trade partners, and in particular China, have “local content” regulations that literally ban finished goods from being imported into the country.  That’s one reason why you see the likes of Ford, GM and Caterpillar building manufacturing plants in China.  Our Congress finally did pass a “local content” regulation recently with regards to, of all things, windmills.  The CEO of Vestas, the Danish company that manufactures windmills in the US, has stated that this boondoggle will disappear once Congress lets the alternate energy subsidy expire next year, the same as what happened to the solar panel industry this year.

 

In any case, the wage increases being demanded by the Chinese factory workers are making the US corporations look at bringing factory jobs back to the North American continent.  Reshoring is the term being used to describe the process of bringing the jobs back, however, Mexico is where the jobs most probably will be located.  Wouldn’t it be ironic if Congress passed legislation to remove the fence between the US and Mexico to make it easier for Americans to migrate illegally into Mexico to work the jobs that their grand fathers and fathers worked that made America great?
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