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Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
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Pennsylvania's Republican Majority leader Mike Turzai recently stated " Now With New Stricter Voter ID Laws In Place, Mitt Romney WILL Win In Pennsylvania ". Five
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Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
posted at July 17, 2012 12:17 PM EDT
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Pennsylvania's Republican Majority leader Mike Turzai recently stated " Now With New Stricter Voter ID Laws In Place, Mitt Romney WILL Win In Pennsylvania ". Five more States, led by Republican Governors and Republican Majority Legislatures, are also rushing to pass stricter laws to require all voters to have Driver's Licenses or Government Photo ID's. It appears the Republicans waited until the last minute to introduce these stricter Iaws, knowing that these new laws would make it more difficult and very inconvenient for a certain group of voters to get the new necessary ID in time to vote. This last minute rush will disproportionately impact our seniors, disabled, students, low income and minorities, who coincidentally tend to vote Democrat. Many seniors, students, disabled and low income workers dont even have a driver's license. With all the important problems and issues that President Obama has asked the Republicans to work on with him, the Republicans rush to enact stricter voter ID laws for their own self interest. Shouldn't the Republicans be looking for ways to expand their appeal to our beloved seniors, disabled and low income workers, rather than throwing more obstacles in their way ? I wonder what President Reagan would think about today's republicans attempting to suppress certain voter's rights ? |
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Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?
posted at July 18, 2012 7:59 AM EDT
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In New York State, every resident is eligible for a free photo id. I'm sure this applies to every other state. It's important to keep our system honest. In the past, voter fraud has been shown to be rampant in cities like Chicago, where names were copied from tombstones and then registered as voters. Voter fraud is a major issue, particularly in large urban districts. |
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Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?
posted at July 18, 2012 12:29 PM EDT
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Georgia has just initiated the "secure" (enhanced) drivers license as dictated by the Homeland Security 2009 law: Dept of Homeland Security: Enhanced Drivers Licenses: What Are They? Notice the 1st sentence in this Federal Mandate: "State-issued enhanced drivers licenses (EDLs) provide proof of identity and U.S. citizenship, are issued in a secure process," Implimentation is causing some real wait time and a lot of documentation to prove who you are but we are working through it and it is getting better. We just started the procedure on July 01, 2012. Once you have proven who you are and get the drivers license, this verified ID can be used for a world of purposes especially when checked against government records (SS file). People with drivers licenses are not the only ones who might want to travel so others need verifiable ID too - Since you must show ID when you use some social services - Medicare, Medicaid, application to many others, etc. - it is well and good that each have access to getting one. You need to even have an ID for getting a library card. We also give access to where people in our state can get an ID - free and conveniently. We have had our voter identification process set up since 2009 or 2010 but we did have to go through some hassles with the DOJ before they approved it. I see no problem with people verifying who they are and there is always a way to do it. Neither of my parents had a birth certificate but I worked through getting them each one with affadavits. It will actual help many to have a good ID. Voter ID will just be part of the system. |
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Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?
posted at July 18, 2012 12:51 PM EDT
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The Republicans had two years to address this issue, but they rush at the last minute to create any inconvenience they can. The Republicans want less government, but they rush to create this stricter law. Oh yeah, its a big problem, especially in Republican led States. In the 2008 extraordinarily close Minnesota Senate race they found 7 suspicious votes out of 3 million. Come on see both sides of the road. How do you explain Pennsylvania's Republican Majority Leader Mike Turzai's remarks " Mitt Romney Will Win Pennsylvania Now That We Passed The New Stricter Voter ID Laws ".??? That's clear evidence of Voter Suppression at the highest level and further corruption of our Democracy. What has happened to the Republican party that President Ronald Reagan so gracefully led ??? I was a proud Republican during the Reagan Administration, but that party left town when Bush & Cheney took over and the Republicans havent been the same since. This great nation will not survive on the Right Wing Republican side or Democratic Left Wing side alone. We need to have each other's backs and do whats right for all of us. Good luck my republican neighbor, but please look on both sides of the road. n Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?: In New York State, every resident is eligible for a free photo id. I'm sure this applies to every other state. It's important to keep our system honest. In the past, voter fraud has been shown to be rampant in cities like Chicago, where names were copied from tombstones and then registered as voters. Voter fraud is a major issue, particularly in large urban districts.
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Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
posted at July 18, 2012 1:19 PM EDT
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With all due respect ma'am , Who is we ? Dont you think that the "we" should have started this stricter voter ID process alot sooner in the Republican majority led States with alleged voter problems , so that as many Americans as possible have a chance to participate in our Democracy, instead of experiencing some real wait time. Shouldn't we be fair and cordial to our beloved seniors and disabled and have implemented this much sooner ? It's nice that you were there to help both your parents get affidavits, but step into the real world for MOST seniors and disabled, who dont have children there to help them and then you add the time constraints to get this done by election time. No the real agenda was told to us by Pennsylvania Majority Republican leader Mike Turzai. Can anyone in the "we" group reply to Pennsylvania's Republican Majority leader Mike Turzai's remarks that " Mitt Romney Will Now Win In Pennsylvania With Our New Stricter Voter ID Laws Passed "??? Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?: Georgia has just initiated the "secure" (enhanced) drivers license as dictated by the Homeland Security 2009 law: Dept of Homeland Security: Enhanced Drivers Licenses: What Are They? Notice the 1st sentence in this Federal Mandate: " State-issued enhanced drivers licenses (EDLs) provide proof of identity and U.S. citizenship, are issued in a secure process," Implimentation is causing some real wait time and a lot of documentation to prove who you are but we are working through it and it is getting better. We just started the procedure on July 01, 2012. Once you have proven who you are and get the drivers license, this verified ID can be used for a world of purposes especially when checked against government records (SS file). People with drivers licenses are not the only ones who might want to travel so others need verifiable ID too - Since you must show ID when you use some social services - Medicare, Medicaid, application to many others, etc. - it is well and good that each have access to getting one. You need to even have an ID for getting a library card. We also give access to where people in our state can get an ID - free and conveniently. We have had our voter identification process set up since 2009 or 2010 but we did have to go through some hassles with the DOJ before they approved it. I see no problem with people verifying who they are and there is always a way to do it. Neither of my parents had a birth certificate but I worked through getting them each one with affadavits. It will actual help many to have a good ID. Voter ID will just be part of the system.
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Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?
posted at July 18, 2012 3:10 PM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011 Last: June 6, 2013 |
How do you explain Pennsylvania's Republican Majority Leader Mike Turzai's remarks " Mitt Romney Will Win Pennsylvania Now That We Passed The New Stricter Voter ID Laws ".??? Simple, All the voter fraud that was perpetrated by the various Democrat machines will be a thing of the past and elections will be honest and only those eligible voters will be allowed to vote. Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?: The Republicans had two years to address this issue, but they rush at the last minute to create any inconvenience they can. The Republicans want less government, but they rush to create this stricter law. Oh yeah, its a big problem, especially in Republican led States. In the 2008 extraordinarily close Minnesota race they found 7 suspicious votes out of 3 million. Come on see both sides of the road. How do you explain Pennsylvania's Republican Majority Leader Mike Turzai's remarks " Mitt Romney Will Win Pennsylvania Now That We Passed The New Stricter Voter ID Laws ".??? That's clear evidence of Voter Suppression at the highest level and further corruption of our Democracy. What has happened to the Republican party that President Ronald Reagan so gracefully led ??? I was a proud Republican during the Reagan Administration, but that party left town when .Bush & Cheney took over and the Republicans havent been the same since. This great nation will not survive on the Right Wing Republican side or Democratic Left Wing side alone. We need to have each other's backs and do whats right for all of us. Good luck my republican neighbor, but please look on both sides of the road. n Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ? : Posted by mandm84 |
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Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Hinder Seniors And Disabled The Most
posted at July 18, 2012 3:41 PM EDT
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So simple, I forgot how much smarter you were. I feel sorry for all the seniors and disabled, who cant make this ID change in time, with this last minute agenda. I guess those dishonest voters will have to sit this one out after all these years of being allowed to vote. They dont matter to you or the right wing anyway, because most would have voted for President Obama to keep their Social Security and Healthcare affordable. I feel for you my republican neighbor, because you are so far right wing that you are blinded to any good elsewhere. Hatred for everything the Democrats stand for will solve nothing and only stress your life out. Try to compromise, because everybody matters in America. Remember Democracy means equality socially and politically. Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ?: How do you explain Pennsylvania's Republican Majority Leader Mike Turzai's remarks " Mitt Romney Will Win Pennsylvania Now That We Passed The New Stricter Voter ID Laws ".??? Simple, All the voter fraud that was perpetrated by the various Democrat machines will be a thing of the past and elections will be honest and only those eligible voters will be allowed to vote. Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ? :
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Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
posted at July 19, 2012 9:23 AM EDT
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 31, 2013 |
In Response to Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most: With all due respect ma'am , Who is we ? Dont you think that the "we" should have started this stricter voter ID process alot sooner in the Republican majority led States with alleged voter problems , so that as many Americans as possible have a chance to participate in our Democracy, instead of experiencing some real wait time. Shouldn't we be fair and cordial to our beloved seniors and disabled and have implemented this much sooner ? It's nice that you were there to help both your parents get affidavits, but step into the real world for MOST seniors and disabled, who dont have children there to help them and then you add the time constraints to get this done by election time. No the real agenda was told to us by Pennsylvania Majority Republican leader Mike Turzai. Can anyone in the "we" group reply to Pennsylvania's Republican Majority leader Mike Turzai's remarks that " Mitt Romney Will Now Win In Pennsylvania With Our New Stricter Voter ID Laws Passed "??? Response to Re: Does The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Constitute Voter Suppression ? : Posted by mandm84 "We" in my post means "Georgia"; I can't answer for the other states. The Georgia process has already been vetted by the DOJ in process fairness and compliance. Politicians often open their mouth and insert foot - both parties. Identification of the citizenry whether for voting, security, benefits, etc. needs to be done, IMO - the timing of such a process, is up to the different states. There is always a rush to register voters close to an election, expecially the POTUS election - so whether it is controversy surrounding voter ID or controversy concerning how registration is done, it seems only to become a priority in some states in an election year. |
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Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
posted at July 19, 2012 10:59 AM EDT
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So it comes down to the six Republican States with Republican Governors and Republican Majority led Legislatures, who have had almost two years to institute their stricter Voter ID Laws, but instead rush at the last minute. As usual the right wing Republicans only see life in their own shoes and turn their backs on our less fortunate seniors and disabled. I feel for the millions of seniors and disabled , who dont have family to help and love them, because today's right wing Republicans in Congress like Cantor, Ryan and Boehner have not and will not be there for them and only want to cut billions in senior healthcare. Romney already said he agrees with the $200 billion in Medicare cuts for our seniors. When does the Republican Congress start showing compassion and fairness for our seniors and disabled and walk in their shoes instead of the top 1% er's shoes ? Then and only then will they have made President Ronald Reagan proud again of his party.. n Response to Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most: In Response to Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most : "We" in my post means "Georgia"; I can't answer for the other states. The Georgia process has already been vetted by the DOJ in process fairness and compliance. Politicians often open their mouth and insert foot - both parties. Identification of the citizenry whether for voting, security, benefits, etc. needs to be done, IMO - the timing of such a process, is up to the different states. There is always a rush to register voters close to an election, expecially the POTUS election - so whether it is controversy surrounding voter ID or controversy concerning how registration is done, it seems only to become a priority in some states in an election year.
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Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most
posted at July 19, 2012 1:10 PM EDT
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 31, 2013 |
In Response to Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most: So it comes down to the six Republican States with Republican Governors and Republican Majority led Legislatures, who have had almost two years to institute their stricter Voter ID Laws, but instead rush at the last minute. As usual the right wing Republicans only see life in their own shoes and turn their backs on our less fortunate seniors and disabled. I feel for the millions of seniors and disabled , who dont have family to help and love them, because today's right wing Republicans in Congress like Cantor, Ryan and Boehner have not and will not be there for them and only want to cut billions in senior healthcare. Romney already said he agrees with the $200 billion in Medicare cuts for our seniors. When does the Republican Congress start showing compassion and fairness for our seniors and disabled and walk in their shoes instead of the top 1% er's shoes ? Then and only then will they have made President Ronald Reagan proud again of his party.. n Response to Re: The Republican's New Stricter Voter ID Laws Will Hinder Our Seniors and Disabled The Most : Posted by mandm84 I wish you would stop talking about speaking for seniors in your context - I'm a senior and you nor this administration is speaking for me. When will you realize that not all seniors are incapable of doing for themselves; even many in the minority population. It seems that the surrounding problems of voting, whether that be Voter ID or how and when one registers to vote is not as much of a priority once the election is over every 2 - 4 years. The processes, since regulated by states, run the gammut - you see voter suppression when states want a Voter ID thrown into the process; I see problems when folks can register to vote at the very last minute. CNN Report October 2008: Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say 31 states now have laws requiring voters to present identification at the polls. About 15 of the states have adopted the strictest rules, requiring people to show state-issued photo IDs. What good is an ID if the preson is not identified as the person submitting the ID? The Supreme Court upheld Indiana's voter ID measure in 2008 and this was a 6 to 3 vote. That ruling found that requiring voters to produce identification is not unconstitutional, and that states have a "valid interest" in improving election procedures and deterring fraud. MSNBC: Supreme Court Upholds Voter ID Indiana Law You will also find this somewhat amusing but also interesting :Rassmusen Report April 16, 2012: 73% Think Photo ID Requirement Before Voting Does Not Discriminate. From the report article:  "Despite his insistence that voter fraud is not a serious problem, Attorney General Eric Holder was embarrassed last week when a video surfaced of someone illegally obtaining a ballot to vote under Holder’s name in his home precinct in Washington, D.C."  Believe me, this controversy and the stance of both sides has been going on for quite sometimes but it is ONLY when there is an election at hand does it get the publicity and the action from either side. Pro or Against. |
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