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Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 21, 2012 4:03 PM EST
Posts: 7
First: September 8, 2011
Last: June 15, 2012
Hi, I'm just wondering how Republicans really view the older Americans and the lower income class.Why are they so set on stopping Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Low Income programs. They have plenty to say how to use these to pay for the debt that Bush created by lending from China for the war. I think that all those companies that were aided by not regulating Wall Street with our current laws should be made to bring us out of this setback in our economy. We are not stupid. It doesn't take much for the Republican Congress to take it away from us but do you think if someone brought up taking it back from Wall Street they would even consider it ? Lets see a so called Republican debate that considers us ( All Americans) instead of their Republican Politics. The two parties should listen not only To "WE the OLDER Voters" but also with age "We the Wiser Voters".

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 21, 2012 8:10 PM EST
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First: December 1, 2011
Last: May 7, 2013
I don't think it is just Republicans. I think American people are being robbed of their rights, their democracy and their well-being by both sides of the aisle...

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 22, 2012 11:42 AM EST
Posts: 536
First: August 9, 2011
Last: May 25, 2013
Republicans don't care who is their choice for president.  It doesn't matter, the Republican in the House and Senate knows this.  All that matters is for him to win the election against Obama. Then he will  sign off on their agenda and that agenda is Paul Ryans Budget Plan which will mean the end as we know it for Social Security and Medicare and not taxing the rich1%.  Their aim is getting control of the Senate back and with a Republican President will control matters from there.  The Senate and House are the real power and the Tea Party knows this.  As for as President is concerned all they need is a puppet who will sign off on their agenda. 




n Response to Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
Hi, I'm just wondering how Republicans really view the older Americans and the lower income class.Why are they so set on stopping Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Low Income programs. They have plenty to say how to use these to pay for the debt that Bush created by lending from China for the war. I think that all those companies that were aided by not regulating Wall Street with our current laws should be made to bring us out of this setback in our economy. We are not stupid. It doesn't take much for the Republican Congress to take it away from us but do you think if someone brought up taking it back from Wall Street they would even consider it ? Lets see a so called Republican debate that considers us ( All Americans) instead of their Republican Politics. The two parties should listen not only To "WE the OLDER Voters" but also with age "We the Wiser Voters".
Posted by vtgreen

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 22, 2012 3:04 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
Republicans don't care who is their choice for president.  It doesn't matter, the Republican in the House and Senate knows this.  All that matters is for him to win the election against Obama. Then he will  sign off on their agenda and that agenda is Paul Ryans Budget Plan which will mean the end as we know it for Social Security and Medicare and not taxing the rich1%.  Their aim is getting control of the Senate back and with a Republican President will control matters from there.  The Senate and House are the real power and the Tea Party knows this.  As for as President is concerned all they need is a puppet who will sign off on their agenda.  n Response to Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US? :
Posted by creppelrm


yes, that's probably true: GOP  establishment wants some Republican puppet - Romney, Santorum or Gingrich- to get control of the White House, meaning: to beat Obama.  
Since majority of Republicans, and some Democrats seem to be itching for another war and the usa is almost broken - they will probably eye the Soc.Security fund...
People are so understanding...

However, there is one, and only one, who happens to be Republican candidate, who will immediately end wars, close 700+ overseas military bases, shrink government (without people getting laid off!)--- and allow American people to keep all the money they earn (of course Social Security too).

As president he  would take no more than average American income (now 39.5 K)  so he would feel more connected with people.

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 22, 2012 8:37 PM EST
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Astra, I understand exactly how you feel but the problem is he would be a lame duck president from the get go due to a hostile Congress and Senate. For him to succeed he would need lawmakers that think like him and I'm afraid they would be far and few between due to the influence of the Tea Party electing large numbers of Republican lawmakers that think like they do.   Your man does have some democratic views but he wouldn't get much help from them either.  




n Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
In Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US? : yes, that's probably true: GOP  establishment wants some Republican puppet - Romney, Santorum or Gingrich- to get control of the White House, meaning: to beat Obama.   Since majority of Republicans, and some Democrats seem to be itching for another war and the usa is almost broken - they will probably eye the Soc.Security fund... People are so understanding... However, there is one, and only one, who happens to be Republican candidate, who will immediately end wars, close 700+ overseas military bases, shrink government (without people getting laid off!)--- and allow American people to keep all the money they earn (of course Social Security too). As president he  would take no more than average American income (now 39.5 K)  so he would feel more connected with people.
Posted by Astra2012

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at February 23, 2012 11:07 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
Astra, I understand exactly how you feel but the problem is he would be a lame duck president from the get go due to a hostile Congress and Senate. For him to succeed he would need lawmakers that think like him and I'm afraid they would be far and few between due to the influence of the Tea Party electing large numbers of Republican lawmakers that think like they do.   Your man does have some democratic views but he wouldn't get much help from them either.   n Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US? :
Posted by creppelrm


yes, our congress needs some replacing --and it needs involvement of Americans... (Ron Paul co-authored great bill not to tax Social Security but the congress voted NO, however Congress voted YES to its salary increase--btw Ron Paul voted NO)
Shame on me, I don't even know the name of my congressman...

And I always voted!

i used to be in the all-American state of political apathy-then I watched DAILY NEWS with Jon Stewart last summer. He showed how media  (whom I used to believe) ignored or ridiculed Ron Paul.
Of course I didn't like that!
Still I believed when they kept repeating the mantra "he will not win"
(now I think it's somehow hypnotizing)

In September I saw some protesters with sign "Ron Paul revolution", remembered the Daily Show, read his books (End the Fed, Revolution: a manifesto  -and later "Liberty defined")

I'm cured of political apathy (however voter fraud is kind of discouraging...)

A president will always have part of congress against him (along the line Rep/Dem)
Ron Paul has a common sense approach that would appeal to both sides! ( and to Independents).

As comander-in-chief he might himself end undeclared wars (btw he is not anti-war, he is against undeclared wars which are started only because some rich people want to be richer).he may also close military bases.

As president he may decide about the shape of his administration.

Of course WE (not only HE) will need congress to pass right bills, and only we can hold our senators/reps accountable.
Internet is a great place now to disccus record of every one of them.




Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at June 15, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
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First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
Hi, I'm just wondering how Republicans really view the older Americans and the lower income class.Why are they so set on stopping Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Low Income programs. They have plenty to say how to use these to pay for the debt that Bush created by lending from China for the war. I think that all those companies that were aided by not regulating Wall Street with our current laws should be made to bring us out of this setback in our economy. We are not stupid. It doesn't take much for the Republican Congress to take it away from us but do you think if someone brought up taking it back from Wall Street they would even consider it ? Lets see a so called Republican debate that considers us ( All Americans) instead of their Republican Politics. The two parties should listen not only To "WE the OLDER Voters" but also with age "We the Wiser Voters".
Posted by vtgreen


Renewing your February post, I see.  Well, here is my 2-cents worth.

Social Security
Republican aren't trying to stop SS, in fact, just the opposite.  Reagan saved SS in the 80's by putting forth changes that helped the system to recover from years of neglect of the program.  He said at that time that it would, based on forcast, have to be tweeked again in another 25 years.   Take a look at some of the proposals that are being investigated by the SS Administration.  These proposals are being put forth by Democrats and Republican because we can't wait til the last minute to fix it.  Bear in mind that there is no proposal to do away with the SS system.  However, you will find that young people who have grown up with investing, might want to consider something in combination with the current SS system.    That might just be a choice that is given along with other tweeks to shore up the whole program for another 50 years or so.  Right now it is the "disability" portion of SS that is in worse shape but we need more money going into to the entire program to shore it up for years to come.

There is no proposal to change it for current beneficiaries or even those close to retirement.

Medicare
Medicare is in bad shape - mainly the Hospital portion (Part A).  It has to be fixed too or we are all going to be paying more.  I assume that you are talking about the voucher program that has been suggested by some of the Republican.  We already have vouchers under the Medicare Advantage and Prescription Drug programs.  For each beneficiary that chooses these options (Medicare Advantage or a Prescription Drug Plan), the government pays these private insurance companies for a portion of the program - the beneficiary pays the rest either up front, in premiums and/or in higher copays.  Seems both those portions of the Medicare program are working fine and I assume you are pleased with whatever you have chosen in your benefits.

Medicaid
This program is so large (and will get larger, if Obamacare stands) that it is hard to fix - The part of the program that affect seniors will stay the same and will continue to be a combined effort of state and federal monies however it is gonna be strained financially if all us baby boomers have not done a good job saving through the years and more will have to have that extra help and then further down the road, when we can no longer care for ourselves, there may be more, just based on shear numbers, that will have to have with daily care.

States, regardless of their in power political persuasions, are trying to bring their finances under control and many of the programs for the elderly and the disabled are being revamped or even cut to save money. 

The poor and low middle class in the U.S. should not look to any political party to solve their societal ills.  We have public education, we have library systems, we have the ability to move around, we have the ability to manage and make decisions for our own lives.  Every citizen should take full advantage of these things and make the most of their lives before it is too late for them to do so.

So if you have younger folks in your family, tell them to finish school, expand their mind, discover and learn a meaningful and needed trade or profession; these are the folks that will reap the financial repercussions of our government spending today and that is the biggest reason why I don't want to take from their future.



Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at June 16, 2012 4:42 PM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013

Gail has set out some of the issues. Though I am not a fan of the Ryan plan since it lacks consideration of the average person. On the other hand I am tired of the immoral Democratic party who are spending our nation into bankrupcy by buying votes offering programs with no fiscal responsibility but letting people think they represent the common man as they leave them with a bankrupt future that somebody will have to pay or our economy will collapse.
There needs to be a balance between cost control and meeting our needs, so it cannot be all one sided as many at the extremes attempt to make it. I abhor the Tea Party on many of their financial policies and I abhor even more the Democratic party because of their financial and social policies.

I have gone from being a democrat to an independent-democrat to an independent to a republican. The democratic party is no longer the party it once was. I would like to see the democratic party and the so called Tea party become part of our history and not our future. And the answer is not found in the libertarian party or those who jump between the republican party and the libertarian party. I do not want anarchy or foolish programs that the Libertarians and ex members propose. There is a chance with a conservative republican party that regains its recognition of actual needs of the people.

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at June 17, 2012 12:03 AM EDT
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
The Republicans keep blaming President Obama or senior's healthcare costs, but dont want to talk about the cost of the previous 8 yrs under President Bush. President Bush became the first president to wage war and cut taxes for the wealthy ( including corporations) at the same time. Wall Street Journal estimates that the total cost of the Iraq War will be $ 4 trillion and the cost keeps growing because of the brave returning disabled soldiers, many will  need lifetime medical care. My prayers go out to all those who suffered losses in Iraq and now is the time for the Republican Congress to stop the Bush tax cuts that have gone on for 10 yrs. now to help pay that $ 4 trillion off  and not put it on the backs of our beloved seniors. Does anyone know how much money our country lost from those 10 yrs of tax breaks for the wealthy? Enough is enough, should'nt the republicans be more concerned about seniors being able to afford life sustaining healthcare than the top 1% getting more ! Where is the Compassion and Fairness ???   n Response to Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
Hi, I'm just wondering how Republicans really view the older Americans and the lower income class.Why are they so set on stopping Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Low Income programs. They have plenty to say how to use these to pay for the debt that Bush created by lending from China for the war. I think that all those companies that were aided by not regulating Wall Street with our current laws should be made to bring us out of this setback in our economy. We are not stupid. It doesn't take much for the Republican Congress to take it away from us but do you think if someone brought up taking it back from Wall Street they would even consider it ? Lets see a so called Republican debate that considers us ( All Americans) instead of their Republican Politics. The two parties should listen not only To "WE the OLDER Voters" but also with age "We the Wiser Voters".
Posted by vtgreen

Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?

posted at June 17, 2012 8:32 AM EDT
Posts: 475
First: December 21, 2011
Last: May 24, 2013
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Thanks for your very sensible reply. Nobody is for destroying Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid. The problem is the cost of these programs. Modifications must be made to save these programs. In the case of Social Security, not much is really needed. As you pointed out, more and more companies are adopting 401K plans and there are IRA's. The realization is that workers must do more for themselves. Social security will survive if the "lockbox" is not raided and the payroll tax is restored to its previous level. AARP had many suggestions on how SS could remain solvent for years to come. Any combination of these would work. As far as Medicare is concerned, I belong to a Medicare Advantage plan, Empire BC/BS HMO. It is as pointed out a voucher plan-Empire receives funds to administer it and I have deductables copays and coinsurance. This is much like what I had during my working career. With regard to Medicaid, I really cannot say much other than from what I read there seems to be much fraud involved with Medicaid Mills. Also this Federal mandate is bancrupting many states. Overall the fact is, we just cannot keep going on the way we are. We cannot keep spending more than we take in. I just resent the fact that that the democrats are trying to convince us that the Republicans are trying to eliminate all these programs.
  n Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US?:
In Response to Re: Just how removed are the Republicans in there view of the poor and low middle class in the US? : Renewing your February post, I see.  Well, here is my 2-cents worth. Social Security Republican aren't trying to stop SS, in fact, just the opposite.  Reagan saved SS in the 80's by putting forth changes that helped the system to recover from years of neglect of the program.  He said at that time that it would, based on forcast, have to be tweeked again in another 25 years.   Take a look at some of the proposals that are being investigated by the SS Administration.  These proposals are being put forth by Democrats and Republican because we can't wait til the last minute to fix it.  Bear in mind that there is no proposal to do away with the SS system.  However, you will find that young people who have grown up with investing, might want to consider something in combination with the current SS system.    That might just be a choice that is given along with other tweeks to shore up the whole program for another 50 years or so.  Right now it is the "disability" portion of SS that is in worse shape but we need more money going into to the entire program to shore it up for years to come. There is no proposal to change it for current beneficiaries or even those close to retirement. Medicare Medicare is in bad shape - mainly the Hospital portion (Part A).  It has to be fixed too or we are all going to be paying more.  I assume that you are talking about the voucher program that has been suggested by some of the Republican.  We already have vouchers under the Medicare Advantage and Prescription Drug programs.  For each beneficiary that chooses these options (Medicare Advantage or a Prescription Drug Plan), the government pays these private insurance companies for a portion of the program - the beneficiary pays the rest either up front, in premiums and/or in higher copays.  Seems both those portions of the Medicare program are working fine and I assume you are pleased with whatever you have chosen in your benefits. Medicaid This program is so large (and will get larger, if Obamacare stands) that it is hard to fix - The part of the program that affect seniors will stay the same and will continue to be a combined effort of state and federal monies however it is gonna be strained financially if all us baby boomers have not done a good job saving through the years and more will have to have that extra help and then further down the road, when we can no longer care for ourselves, there may be more, just based on shear numbers, that will have to have with daily care. States, regardless of their in power political persuasions, are trying to bring their finances under control and many of the programs for the elderly and the disabled are being revamped or even cut to save money.  The poor and low middle class in the U.S. should not look to any political party to solve their societal ills.  We have public education, we have library systems, we have the ability to move around, we have the ability to manage and make decisions for our own lives.  Every citizen should take full advantage of these things and make the most of their lives before it is too late for them to do so. So if you have younger folks in your family, tell them to finish school, expand their mind, discover and learn a meaningful and needed trade or profession; these are the folks that will reap the financial repercussions of our government spending today and that is the biggest reason why I don't want to take from their future.
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