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Health Care " MR. PRESIDENT, WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"
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Health Care
posted at November 28, 2012 1:52 PM EST
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Posts: 1432
First: August 27, 2012 Last: May 18, 2013 |
Health Care " MR. PRESIDENT, WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTHCARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????" THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!! IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS, "WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT." AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT ! SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND ME... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...?? WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!! PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS.... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES. If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan! |
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 28, 2012 2:14 PM EST
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Posts: 530
First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 14, 2013 |
Sure the President would accept his health care plan. Only people blinded by racism and hatred don't want it. My daughter has MD, and lost both kidneys a while back and couldn't get health insurance where she worked because of her pre existing condition until the President denied Big Insurance from excluding her. Pass that around. In Response to Health Care: Health Care " MR. PRESIDENT, WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????" THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!! IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SeAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS, "WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT." AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT ! SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND ME... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...?? WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!! PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS.... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES. If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan! WHAT??? The Republic has a CONSTITUTION??? Amendment 28 Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States . Posted by gymdandee |
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 28, 2012 11:35 PM EST
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First: March 2, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Health Care: Sure the President would accept his health care plan. Only people blinded by racism and hatred don't want it. My daughter has MD, and lost both kidneys a while back and couldn't get health insurance where she worked because of her pre existing condition until the President denied Big Insurance from excluding her. Pass that around. In Response to Health Care : Posted by creppelrm I completely agree with you about the necessity of having insurance available for people such as your daughter. I feel very sorry for her as her condition is only aggravated by not having access to health care without going bankrupt. I'm always amazed at these Repubs who pretend to be Christians, but don't want government involved in their health care. Obviously, they're well covered by employers, have access to Medicare or are wealthy enough to pay for private insurance. They never think about the terrible fears and frustrations of those who have to face an illness or injury without the ability to afford insurance or to pay for it. I have a brother whose wife has spent a year undergoing cancer treatments. Both are almost 60, work in the medical field and are Republicans. His wife hasn't worked for a very long time, now only part-time, so they've lost a lot of income. They also have a 15 year old daughter. My brother had to spend over $20,000 out of pocket for co-pays which took money from their retirement funds. He worries what would happen if his wife lost her insurance with the hospital. Now he's beginning to like the idea of the ACA which would allow her to purchase insurance with a pre-existing condition. It might even be affordable seeing that they've gone from a 2 paycheck household to one. They are basically cold and heartless as they don't seem to care about parents without insurance who have a very ill child, spouse or are ill themselves and can't work.
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 29, 2012 10:54 PM EST
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Posts: 530
First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 14, 2013 |
So many times here in Louisiana I see benefit dinners being sold etc. trying to cover medical expenses for a child with cancer or one who has been in a tramatic accident knowing full well they will never raise enough money to cover these expenses and yet in a state that poverty is above the national average it is a Republican State with a Governor who has no problem closing state run hospitals and cutting education but refuses to raise taxes on the rich. It is just hard for me to comprehend. In Response to Re: Health Care: In Response to Re: Health Care : I completely agree with you about the necessity of having insurance available for people such as your daughter. I feel very sorry for her as her condition is only aggravated by not having access to health care without going bankrupt. I'm always amazed at these Repubs who pretend to be Christians, but don't want government involved in their health care. Obviously, they're well covered by employers, have access to Medicare or are wealthy enough to pay for private insurance. They never think about the terrible fears and frustrations of those who have to face an illness or injury without the ability to afford insurance or to pay for it. I have a brother whose wife has spent a year undergoing cancer treatments. Both are almost 60, work in the medical field and are Republicans. His wife hasn't worked for a very long time, now only part-time, so they've lost a lot of income. They also have a 15 year old daughter. My brother had to spend over $20,000 out of pocket for co-pays which took money from their retirement funds. He worries what would happen if his wife lost her insurance with the hospital. Now he's beginning to like the idea of the ACA which would allow her to purchase insurance with a pre-existing condition. It might even be affordable seeing that they've gone from a 2 paycheck household to one. They are basically cold and heartless as they don't seem to care about parents without insurance who have a very ill child, spouse or are ill themselves and can't work. Posted by intersan |
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 30, 2012 12:13 PM EST
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Posts: 1921
First: November 27, 2011 Last: April 13, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Health Care: In Response to Re: Health Care :. . . . . My brother had to spend over $20,000 out of pocket for co-pays . . . . . Posted by intersan The ACA is not going to end co-pays or deductibles - The plans offered will still have to be evaluated by those who are purchasing them as the best value, based on their health needs and their pocketbook - even those that are getting the subsidized plans under the exchanges. Pre-exisitng conditions cannot be considered, and that is good but there is still the age factor that can be used in the determination of premiums. Until all the plans are reveled as to what is covered, amount of premiums, co-pays & deductibles - I just don't know how expensive they will be and I don't think anybody else does either at this point. Knowing that life sometimes throws us for a loop for one reason or another, isn't it better to prepare somewhat before hand? Especially when you know that when an illness strikes, your policy calls for deductibles and co-pays up to a certain specified amount. This is not changing with the ACA - the insurance companies will do their part as contracted when illness strikes but the insured must do their part too - one without the other will not work. It is this part that worries me most about the ACA - that and people understanding their respective policy choices. Guess within the next year or two we will see exactly how "Affordable" it is. |
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 30, 2012 2:14 PM EST
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First: August 27, 2012 Last: May 18, 2013 |
According to my Dr. his opinion is that Medicare won't pay if you should fall lets say in someone else's home! That would be a liability case and home owners ins. would have to take care of that. I believe I stated previously that our family Dr. said that Dr. will have two software's to use so that the gov. at any time can log into the files of a patient and know all about the medical situations of a patient. The Dr. told my wife that the gov. wanted to know if our home had throw rugs! I guess they are going to tell us how to furnish our homes!!! Our Orthopedist said he will not participate in the gov. program and said it's less expensive to pay the yearly fine! |
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Re: Health Care
posted at November 30, 2012 2:53 PM EST
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Posts: 1921
First: November 27, 2011 Last: April 13, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Health Care: According to my Dr. his opinion is that Medicare won't pay if you should fall lets say in someone else's home! That would be a liability case and home owners ins. would have to take care of that.Posted by gymdandee That's already the case and has been under both Medicare and Medicaid - they will, of course, pay for you to be treated but will expect reimbursement if there is an insurance payout - same is true if you are in car accident or any other type situation where you are injured and there will be a settlement. I believe I stated previously that our family Dr. said that Dr. will have two software's to use so that the gov. at any time can log into the files of a patient and know all about the medical situations of a patient. The Dr. told my wife that the gov. wanted to know if our home had throw rugs! I guess they are going to tell us how to furnish our homes!!! Our Orthopedist said he will not participate in the gov. program and said it's less expensive to pay the yearly fine! Posted by gymdandee Medicare and Medicaid already have files on your health care - they pay the claims. Most all doctors who treat geriatric patients always caution about throw rugs especially as they get older and may have other problems too - eye sight, vertigo, just plain ole not as steady on their feet. I deliver meals on wheels and have myself replaced light bulbs, removed throw rugs and even moved furniture - once I had to call my direct supervisor so she could report a hole in someone's floor - Don't ask me where this person's family was in all of this. A doctor can treat anybody that he wants to treat - he doesn't have to accept Medicare assignment nor Medicaid and I have no idea about "a fine"? |
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Re: Health Care
posted at December 2, 2012 12:53 PM EST
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Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Health Care: Health Care " MR. PRESIDENT, WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????" THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!! IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS, "WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT." AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT ! SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND ME... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...?? WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!! PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS.... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES. If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan! WHAT??? The Republic has a CONSTITUTION??? Amendment 28 Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States . Posted by gymdandee SHHH .......congress and the the rest of Govt employees ....what they really have is a " UNION." and why they have a grand-pension and healthcare plan. But, remember the republicans don't like unions---they hate them ( unless they are in congress) Everything should be privatized according to republicans ....everything even your health. So far, my medicare advantage plans have lower -co-pays and more free-be's than last year's plans but I feel sorry for those under 65. . Seniors are seeing a $600 rebate on drugs.....there are no pre-existing condition-clauses and insurers can't raise premiums anytime they have a whim to. But I know what you are saying....we should have had a UNIVERSAL healthcare plan but republicans don't want that either....they like the fact insurance corporations are making 30% profit off of the cost of your healthcare. And apparently PRESIDENT Obama knew that and tried to get some reform passed which has helped some people a great deal. Here's a list of countries who are far ahead of the USA on helping their citizens and not just the rich.
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Re: Health Care
posted at December 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST
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First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 14, 2013 |
I'm going to take your article and post it to Letter to the Editor of our local newspaper because it explains it all. But some people rather listen to propaganda put out by Insurance lobbyist who influence our lawmakers. Congress and Govt. employees really have a Union. In Response to Re: Health Care: In Response to Health Care : SHHH .......congress and the the rest of Govt employees ....what they really have is a " UNION." and why they have a grand-pension and healthcare plan. But, remember the republicans don't like unions---they hate them ( unless they are in congress) Everything should be privatized according to republicans ....everything even your health. So far, my medicare advantage plans have lower -co-pays and more free-be's than last year's plans but I feel sorry for those under 65. . Seniors are seeing a $600 rebate on drugs.....there are no pre-existing condition-clauses and insurers can't raise premiums anytime they have a whim to. But I know what you are saying....we should have had a UNIVERSAL healthcare plan but republicans don't want that either....they like the fact insurance corporations are making 30% profit off of the cost of your healthcare. And apparently PRESIDENT Obama knew that and tried to get some reform passed which has helped some people a great deal. Here's a list of countries who are far ahead of the USA on helping their citizens and not just the rich. Norway 1912 Single Payer New Zealand 1938 Two Tier Japan 1938 Single Payer Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer Kuwait 1950 Single Payer Sweden 1955 Single Payer Bahrain 1957 Single Payer Brunei 1958 Single Payer Canada 1966 Single Payer Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer Finland 1972 Single Payer Slovenia 1972 Single Payer Denmark 1973 Two-Tier Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate France 1974 Two-Tier Australia 1975 Two Tier Ireland 1977 Two-Tier Italy 1978 Single Payer Portugal 1979 Single Payer Cyprus 1980 Single Payer Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate Spain 1986 Single Payer South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate Iceland 1990 Single Payer Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier Singapore 1993 Two-Tier Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate Israel 1995 Two-Tier Posted by JANMB |
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Re: Health Care
posted at December 3, 2012 11:21 AM EST
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Posts: 1921
First: November 27, 2011 Last: April 13, 2013 |
Along with this list, make sure you give their income sources for this coverage - Yes, I'm sure Americans would want a 28% VAT to make everything go up to fund this sort of health care coverage. Would our wprld renoun specialist be so happy to go on the government payroll of providers? And remember, you don't get everything that you want in health care, nor in a timely fashion many times - that's why there is the continuation and the re-emergence of private health insurance in many of these countries. We would also slow down on research and development - right now we lead in cancer cures. Last I read almost ALL countries are having a problem with health care cost - no matter how care is provided. I'm starting to see some tweaks in Medicare to save it money - but that out of pocket is flowing to the receipients. That's how government "REFORMS". - the cost is just put on another party. |
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