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I would like to know why AARP continues to support the Obama Health Care Bill when all the available information available points to the fact that health care in this country will significantly deteri
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Health Care Bill
posted at January 26, 2012 4:41 PM EST
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I would like to know why AARP continues to support the Obama Health Care Bill when all the available information available points to the fact that health care in this country will significantly deteriorate if the bill remains the law of the land? Is AARP in bed with the domoratic party or is there something they know that the rest of the world doesn't? |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 27, 2012 9:38 AM EST
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If the President had his way Health care would have been free for everyone. It was a fight from the beginning with the Republicans and what we have now is a watered down version of what it should have been and that would have been affordable health care for everyone. As it is people with pre existing conditions couldn't get Healthcare but now they can. So if you read carefully there are benefits that you are taking for granted. It is better than the Republicans have to offer and that is nothing at all. They would rather let us be at the mercy of the big health care providers that are worried about profits rather than the welfare of the people. Evidently you have a good health care plan. Think of the rest of the people who don't. |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 27, 2012 10:04 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Health Care Bill: If the President had his way Health care would have been free for everyone. It was a fight from the beginning with the Republicans and what we have now is a watered down version of what it should have been and that would have been affordable health care for everyone. As it is people with pre existing conditions couldn't get Healthcare but now they can. So if you read carefully there are benefits that you are taking for granted. It is better than the Republicans have to offer and that is nothing at all. They would rather let us be at the mercy of the big health care providers that are worried about profits rather than the welfare of the people. Evidently you have a good health care plan. Think of the rest of the people who don't. Posted by creppelrm Explain your definition of FREE? Somebody has to pay for it. Then why aren't those people with Pre-exisiting conditions signing up for the program? Many states already had a high-risk pool for them. Then the PPACA established the PCIP (Pre existing Condition Insurance Program) - In many states those that qualify are not signing up just like they didn't under the states own plans which have been available for a long time. Check this out: Kaiser Health News 01.17.2012: Alaska To Spend $200K A Year For Each High Risk Pool Member If you think this is working - I've got a bridge to sell you. |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 27, 2012 11:12 AM EST
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My daughter is 35 years old and was born musclar dystrophy and when she was a freshman in college lost her kidneys. This nightmare lasted 3 years until she got a kidney transplant on my insurance. Before the Presidents health care she couldn't live a normal life, couldn't get married afraid of losing my inusurance. She struggled every day to go to work and couldn't get health care due to her pre condition where she worked until the president's health care reform took effect. How about the1% paying their fair share for that free health care. We are a country who is supposed to take care of our own. Since when we can't do that? This corruption that is happening in our government and big business is not Capitalism anymore, it has evolved into something where we are losing our compassion. Where the dollar is worth more than a persons life. Since when we have to ask how much it cost before we can save a persons life. SHAME ON US. In Response to Re: Health Care Bill: In Response to Re: Health Care Bill : Explain your definition of FREE? Somebody has to pay for it. Then why aren't those people with Pre-exisiting conditions signing up for the program? Many states already had a high-risk pool for them. Then the PPACA established the PCIP (Pre existing Condition Insurance Program) - In many states those that qualify are not signing up just like they didn't under the states own plans which have been available for a long time. Check this out: Kaiser Health News 01.17.2012: Alaska To Spend $200K A Year For Each High Risk Pool Member If you think this is working - I've got a bridge to sell you. Posted by GailL1 |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 27, 2012 7:09 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Health Care Bill: My daughter is 35 years old and was born musclar dystrophy and when she was a freshman in college lost her kidneys. This nightmare lasted 3 years until she got a kidney transplant on my insurance. Before the Presidents health care she couldn't live a normal life, couldn't get married afraid of losing my inusurance. She struggled every day to go to work and couldn't get health care due to her pre condition where she worked until the president's health care reform took effect. How about the1% paying their fair share for that free health care. We are a country who is supposed to take care of our own. Since when we can't do that? This corruption that is happening in our government and big business is not Capitalism anymore, it has evolved into something where we are losing our compassion. Where the dollar is worth more than a persons life. Since when we have to ask how much it cost before we can save a persons life. SHAME ON US. In Response to Re: Health Care Bill : Posted by creppelrm You jump from me asking a question about why people with pre-existing conditions didn't sign up for either their states high risk pool or now under the PCIP to capitalism. Got to be a whole lot in-between. I hope your daughter is doing well now and has that (healthy and fulfilling) life that she wanted. If your state had a high risk pool and now the PCIP, I assume that your daughter could have signed up. I was also under the impression that under the HIPPA laws which governs employers of a specific size and their group health plans that those with pre-existing conditions could not be denied insurance for a pre-existing but there could be a waiting period. United States Dept. of Labor: The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act (HIPAA) Fact Sheet We are a compassionate nation however each individual has to take some responsibility - financial & health wise. We have Medicaid - for those that need care and cannot afford it or cannot afford health insurance. Sorry it is not my job as a citizen to make everybody whole to live a normal or as normal as possible life especially if they have other avenues available, if not, there is always Medicaid. |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 27, 2012 11:31 PM EST
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lYes, we had help and Obama provided it. Not the state or insurance companies. As a citizen I don't expect you to take care of anything except pay taxes like the rich 1% should and let the govt. decide how to spend it best on their citizens. n Response to Re: Health Care Bill: In Response to Re: Health Care Bill : You jump from me asking a question about why people with pre-existing conditions didn't sign up for either their states high risk pool or now under the PCIP to capitalism. Got to be a whole lot in-between. I hope your daughter is doing well now and has that (healthy and fulfilling) life that she wanted. If your state had a high risk pool and now the PCIP, I assume that your daughter could have signed up. I was also under the impression that under the HIPPA laws which governs employers of a specific size and their group health plans that those with pre-existing conditions could not be denied insurance for a pre-existing but there could be a waiting period. United States Dept. of Labor: T he Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act (HIPAA) Fact Sheet We are a compassionate nation however each individual has to take some responsibility - financial & health wise. We have Medicaid - for those that need care and cannot afford it or cannot afford health insurance. Sorry it is not my job as a citizen to make everybody whole to live a normal or as normal as possible life especially if they have other avenues available, if not, there is always Medicaid. Posted by GailL1 |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 28, 2012 10:19 AM EST
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Health Care Bill: lYes, we had help and Obama provided it. Not the state or insurance companies. As a citizen I don't expect you to take care of anything except pay taxes like the rich 1% should and let the govt. decide how to spend it best on their citizens. n Response to Re: Health Care Bill : Posted by creppelrm How did Obama do it? What would be the responsibility of the rest? To spend it? When we let the government into our lives as a "payer" for something or any other "payer", that gives them certain decision making power over those that are recieving it. |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 28, 2012 1:58 PM EST
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The responsibility of the rest of us is to be responsible enough to elect officials who don't go around starting wars for nothing and then giving the enemy Health Care for nothing besides building hospitals, prisons etc. on foreign soil, or our elected officials taking handouts from big business for favors. The responsibility of not only taxing the ordinary citizen but taxing the rich when we are in a recession and everyone should pay. The responsibility of helping it's needy first before helping millionaires who are spending money on foolishness rather than paying taxes. Look at the money the "Super PAC is spending. Rediculous!!! The responsibility of protecting our environment and resources rather than drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico just after the greatest oil spill in history and these people want to go on with business as usual rather than correct the problem that caused this disaster in the first place. I am a fisherman from the area and saw the disaster first hand. If you saw one the pelicans covered with oil, it may even put a tear in your eye. The responsibility of keeping religion out of politics as the Constitution says. The responsibility of doing away with racism. It's all around us just open your eyes to what the Tea Party is saying. The responsibility of Putting America first and when I say that I refer to the 99%. They are America too regardless what Leona Hemsley would to refer as the "Little People". n Response to Re: Health Care Bill: In Response to Re: Health Care Bill : How did Obama do it? What would be the responsibility of the rest? To spend it? When we let the government into our lives as a "payer" for something or any other "payer", that gives them certain decision making power over those that are recieving it. Posted by GailL1 |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 28, 2012 2:21 PM EST
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Since I got a little interested in on my last post answering your question "what is our responsibility?" I forgot to tell you that Obama's health care plan required health insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions so that freed my daughter to get health insurance from the place she works. Now how much that cost the taxpayer? Yet the Republican lawmakers and Health care providers want it repealed. Makes sense for them, more profits, does nothing for the 99%. |
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Re: Health Care Bill
posted at January 28, 2012 4:23 PM EST
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Health Care Bill: Since I got a little interested in on my last post answering your question "what is our responsibility?" I forgot to tell you that Obama's health care plan required health insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions so that freed my daughter to get health insurance from the place she works. Now how much that cost the taxpayer? Yet the Republican lawmakers and Health care providers want it repealed. Makes sense for them, more profits, does nothing for the 99%. Posted by creppelrm Sorry - you need to keep up and understand what you are saying. The "pre-existing condition" requirement under Obamacare, PPACA, ACA (whatever) HAS NOT taken affect yet in the law - that is why the state pre-existing condition insurnace plans (PCIP) were funded in the law until 2014. I'm pretty sure IF your daughter got the health insurance through her employer, she got it under HIPPA - a law that has been around for a long, long time. I posted the link to it earlier in this thread. |
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