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and since that ban gun crime SIGNIFICANTLY rose Criminals who always get it are sure the law-abiding people are not armed here they think twice before e.g. home invasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
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Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 5, 2013 11:37 AM EST
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
 I'm so sorry to hear about this sad event in your life. My thoughts and prayers will be with you Cherrique. You are right , many firearm deaths would have been prevented with the changes that President Obama is suggesting. We have a right to know where all these guns are going.  Mandatory registration and background checks including checks on a National Mental Health data base must be done to protect our citizens.Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia:
I am a "survivor" of gun violence, sort of.  My son-in-law shot and killed my daughter, my two preschool grandchildren and himself fifteen years ago.  He wasn't supposed to have a gun.  He had been convicted of aggravated assault and the police should have confiscated all his firearms.  Because he was a hunter, they let him keep his 12 gauge shotgun. It turns out you can do more than hunt with a 12 gauge.  If the law had been strictly enforced, the tragedy might not have happened.  However, if we had paid more attention to his mental health, it might not have happened either.  Just something to consider in the midst of all this discussion.
Posted by cherrique

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 19, 2013 8:23 PM EDT
Posts: 15
First: February 4, 2013
Last: March 19, 2013
When I visited Paris, France with some fellow teachers and some students, we saw police officers but NOT ONE of them carried a gun.  During the 15 day stay, there was NOT one gun related incident in nor around the cities we visited. It makes one wonder doesn't it about gun use here!!!!

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 27, 2013 9:00 AM EDT
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First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
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and since that ban gun crime SIGNIFICANTLY rose Criminals who always get it are sure the law-abiding people are not armed here they think twice before e.g. home invasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si9ICY9tB4A
Posted by Astra2012


I needed to pass a background check to join the Marine Corps and carry an assault weapon in Iraq. We should require the same of anyone who wants to carry one at home.

As veterans, we're familiar with these weapons and why its so important we keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. That's why I'm proud to appear in VoteVets latest 30-second ad on the issue.

With the Senate set to vote on gun legislation in a few weeks, watch the ad and tell your Senators that you support universal background checks.

http://action.votevets.org/background-checks

Glenn Kunkel
Iraq War Veteran
Purple Heart Recipient

(MY 2 CENTS--- If we banned all guns and then we would only have the police and criminals to deal with
and not every Tom-Dick or Jane that are armed =  janmb )

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 27, 2013 10:50 AM EDT
Posts: 1
First: March 27, 2013
Last: March 27, 2013
In Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia:
(MY 2 CENTS--- If we banned all guns and then we would only have the police and criminals to deal with and not every Tom-Dick or Jane that are armed =  janmb )
Posted by JANMB


As a gun owner and law-citizen, I am appalled at the lack of knowledge by non-gun owners about firearms.  For instance, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS cannot just go into a gun store and purchase an assault weapon. The definition of an assault weapon "a rapid-fire magazine-fed AUTOMATIC weaspon designed for infantry use." The much misaligned AR-15 is being called just that due to its design not its function.

The problem  today is the current laws are NOT being enforced. Putting restrictions on our constitutional right to bear arms (which is illegal, by the way), will NOT fix the problem. I will not register my guns. Registration is the first step toward confiscation. The NRA, and law abiding citizens like myself, know this.

If you think that removing guns from people like me is going to make you safe, you're couldn't be more wrong. Criminals do not obey the laws and will still get guns. Look at what is going on in Chicago. Chicago (Obama's home city, by the way) has the highest instance of gun crime in the country. Chicago also has the strictest gun laws. Even Joe Biden said that the current laws cannot be enforced. So, Janmb, what makes you t hink that taking my handguns and rifles away from me will make you safer?  How long does it take police to respond to a call where you live?  Is it a matter of a few minutes or more like half an hour? Do you live in the city or the country? If you live in the country where most likely your police protection is a state police barracks in another town, you're looking at a minimum of 30 - 40 minute response time and that's only if the officer isn't on another call.  Oh, you probably ought to know that now in Australia and Great Britan, where private gun ownership was banned and guns confiscated, they're now experiencing something new called "Home Invasions."

The only fear mongering is being done by Diane Frankenfeinstein and NY's Mayor Bloomberg along with another bunch of politicians who are marching to the beat of their own agenda (CT's Gov. Dannell Malloy is a doozy, too). When I saw her holding a rifle incorrectly, violating a minimum of 3 laws of safe firearms handling, I cringed. Here's someone who's pushing her own personal agenda without a care what happens to others. Bloomberg did one with one of his recent videos with a guy sitting on the tailgate of a truck (stereotyping going on here?) holding a shotgun with HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER while children are playing in the backgrounds as he drones on about background checks. We're supposed to listen and believe someone who doesn't know what they're doing????

This is what scares me. They want to disarm us while they have their armed to the teeth bodyguards protecting them night and day. Who's going to protect the rest of us, then?  Can you answer that? Don't say the police because the police, who still experience cutbacks due to lack of funding, will be busy enough as it is. Don't say the US Military - the US Military is prevented from taking action against its own citizens by the Possee Comitatus Act of 1878.

The 2nd Amendment guarantees our constitution right to keep and bear arms and protect not only our homes, property, and families but also to guard against a tyrannical government. Let me share with you some quotes from our founding fathers:

Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..,,.disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

Thomas Jefferson also said: "The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

James Madison: "Disarm the people - that is the best and most effective way to enslave them."

And, my overall favorite by Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, a people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; becaase the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States."

If you still believe that disarming a population and turning them into sheeple like you is all for the best, I feel sorry for you.

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 27, 2013 2:42 PM EDT
Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012
Last: May 15, 2013
  Carol, I'm a gun owner and the President is not suggesting taking everyone's guns away from them. Please read the details in the current bill, not the the far right wing rhetoric on Faux news. You can buy AR 15's at gun shows without background checks in most states. Sure not fully automatic, but with a 30 - 50 round magazine, what's the difference ?The President wants to limit magazine capacity to 10 rounds and to be honest with you, If a person cant defend themselves with a 45 caliber handgun holding 11 rounds ( 1 in chamber & 10 in the magazine ), maybe that person should'nt be carrying any firearm to begin with.
 I support the 2nd amendment, but also support common sense changes to meet our times. We are not dealing with muskets anymore. These changes wont stop all crime, but do we sit here and do nothing because we cant stop all gun deaths.  Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia:
In Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia : As a gun owner and law-citizen, I am appalled at the lack of knowledge by non-gun owners about firearms.  For instance, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS cannot just go into a gun store and purchase an assault weapon. The definition of an assault weapon "a rapid-fire magazine-fed AUTOMATIC weaspon designed for infantry use." The much misaligned AR-15 is being called just that due to its design not its function. The problem  today is the current laws are NOT being enforced. Putting restrictions on our constitutional right to bear arms (which is illegal, by the way), will NOT fix the problem. I will not register my guns. Registration is the first step toward confiscation. The NRA, and law abiding citizens like myself, know this. If you think that removing guns from people like me is going to make you safe, you're couldn't be more wrong. Criminals do not obey the laws and will still get guns. Look at what is going on in Chicago. Chicago (Obama's home city, by the way) has the highest instance of gun crime in the country. Chicago also has the strictest gun laws. Even Joe Biden said that the current laws cannot be enforced. So, Janmb, what makes you t hink that taking my handguns and rifles away from me will make you safer?  How long does it take police to respond to a call where you live?  Is it a matter of a few minutes or more like half an hour? Do you live in the city or the country? If you live in the country where most likely your police protection is a state police barracks in another town, you're looking at a minimum of 30 - 40 minute response time and that's only if the officer isn't on another call.  Oh, you probably ought to know that now in Australia and Great Britan, where private gun ownership was banned and guns confiscated, they're now experiencing something new called "Home Invasions." The only fear mongering is being done by Diane Frankenfeinstein and NY's Mayor Bloomberg along with another bunch of politicians who are marching to the beat of their own agenda (CT's Gov. Dannell Malloy is a doozy, too). When I saw her holding a rifle incorrectly, violating a minimum of 3 laws of safe firearms handling, I cringed. Here's someone who's pushing her own personal agenda without a care what happens to others. Bloomberg did one with one of his recent videos with a guy sitting on the tailgate of a truck (stereotyping going on here?) holding a shotgun with HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER while children are playing in the backgrounds as he drones on about background checks. We're supposed to listen and believe someone who doesn't know what they're doing???? This is what scares me. They want to disarm us while they have their armed to the teeth bodyguards protecting them night and day. Who's going to protect the rest of us, then?  Can you answer that? Don't say the police because the police, who still experience cutbacks due to lack of funding, will be busy enough as it is. Don't say the US Military - the US Military is prevented from taking action against its own citizens by the Possee Comitatus Act of 1878. The 2nd Amendment guarantees our constitution right to keep and bear arms and protect not only our homes, property, and families but also to guard against a tyrannical government. Let me share with you some quotes from our founding fathers: Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..,,.disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson also said: "The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." James Madison: "Disarm the people - that is the best and most effective way to enslave them." And, my overall favorite by Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, a people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; becaase the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." If you still believe that disarming a population and turning them into sheeple like you is all for the best, I feel sorry for you.
Posted by carolmw

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 30, 2013 4:47 PM EDT
Posts: 341
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
In Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia:
In Response to Re: guns are banned in Australia : As a gun owner and law-citizen, I am appalled at the lack of knowledge by non-gun owners about firearms.  For instance, LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS cannot just go into a gun store and purchase an assault weapon. The definition of an assault weapon "a rapid-fire magazine-fed AUTOMATIC weaspon designed for infantry use." The much misaligned AR-15 is being called just that due to its design not its function. The problem  today is the current laws are NOT being enforced. Putting restrictions on our constitutional right to bear arms (which is illegal, by the way), will NOT fix the problem. I will not register my guns. Registration is the first step toward confiscation. The NRA, and law abiding citizens like myself, know this. If you think that removing guns from people like me is going to make you safe, you're couldn't be more wrong. Criminals do not obey the laws and will still get guns. Look at what is going on in Chicago. Chicago (Obama's home city, by the way) has the highest instance of gun crime in the country. Chicago also has the strictest gun laws. Even Joe Biden said that the current laws cannot be enforced. So, Janmb, what makes you t hink that taking my handguns and rifles away from me will make you safer?  How long does it take police to respond to a call where you live?  Is it a matter of a few minutes or more like half an hour? Do you live in the city or the country? If you live in the country where most likely your police protection is a state police barracks in another town, you're looking at a minimum of 30 - 40 minute response time and that's only if the officer isn't on another call.  Oh, you probably ought to know that now in Australia and Great Britan, where private gun ownership was banned and guns confiscated, they're now experiencing something new called "Home Invasions." The only fear mongering is being done by Diane Frankenfeinstein and NY's Mayor Bloomberg along with another bunch of politicians who are marching to the beat of their own agenda (CT's Gov. Dannell Malloy is a doozy, too). When I saw her holding a rifle incorrectly, violating a minimum of 3 laws of safe firearms handling, I cringed. Here's someone who's pushing her own personal agenda without a care what happens to others. Bloomberg did one with one of his recent videos with a guy sitting on the tailgate of a truck (stereotyping going on here?) holding a shotgun with HIS FINGER ON THE TRIGGER while children are playing in the backgrounds as he drones on about background checks. We're supposed to listen and believe someone who doesn't know what they're doing???? This is what scares me. They want to disarm us while they have their armed to the teeth bodyguards protecting them night and day. Who's going to protect the rest of us, then?  Can you answer that? Don't say the police because the police, who still experience cutbacks due to lack of funding, will be busy enough as it is. Don't say the US Military - the US Military is prevented from taking action against its own citizens by the Possee Comitatus Act of 1878. The 2nd Amendment guarantees our constitution right to keep and bear arms and protect not only our homes, property, and families but also to guard against a tyrannical government. Let me share with you some quotes from our founding fathers: Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..,,.disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson also said: "The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." James Madison: "Disarm the people - that is the best and most effective way to enslave them." And, my overall favorite by Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, a people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; becaase the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." If you still believe that disarming a population and turning them into sheeple like you is all for the best, I feel sorry for you.
Posted by carolmw


I'm a gun owner and I carry my gun all the time. I have a concealed permit. I do agree with a lot of what you say, but the 2nd amendment stuff is out dated. If a tyrannical government were to take over, they could simply shut down the power grid, and stop the trucks from bringing the products, and food to the stores, and the people would cave. Most would begin to turn on each other to survive before ever going up against an Army.

I have my guns registered with the local police department, and often use their range, and shoot with some of them. I don't see registration as a problem, and I don't see why there should be any big concern over confiscation, since as things are right now, they aren't trying to keep guns from anyone. Obama's 23 points were just a bunch bureaucracy anyway. Those of us that do go thru legal channels are the only ones being hit with harsher restrictions. If confiscation were to ever start, that would be the time to rise up and take action.

Doing nothing isn't getting us anywhere. Gangs have more firepower than cops and seems every mass shooter, just tries to top the last one. We can all sit back and pretend that there is no problem, and continue as we are right now, or we can do something to stop senseless killing. That is the black and white picture of it all. We either change, or we remain as we are. I'm open to suggestions.

I'm in Australia on a vacation right now, and there seems to be a calm easy feeling here. No mass shootings in over 15 years, and yes there are guns here, and always will be.

And when you look at the big picture, there are millions and millions that do not, and have never had any guns in their homes.

Funny how, when the Patriot Act was enacted, hardly a word was said, as the 4th amendment was shredded.

Man is mans worst enemy. Until man evolves to a higher level, where respect for human life is the ultimate law, shootings will never stop.

Re: guns are banned in Australia

posted at March 31, 2013 10:52 AM EDT
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First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
The following doesn't include domestic,  accidental or guns used in robberies.    Anyone sane looking at this can see we are wrong and the other countries with gun laws are right.

MASS KILLINGS IN 2012
February 22, 2012 - Norcross, Georgia 5 killed
February 26, 2012 - Jackson, Tennessee 1 killed 20 hurt
February 27, 2012 - rural Ohio 3 killed
March 8, 2012 – Pittsburgh, PA 2 killed 7 hurt
March 31, 2012 - Miami, Florida 2 killed 12 hurt
April 2, 2012 - Oakland, California 7 killed 3 hurt
April 6, 2012 - Tulsa, Oklahoma 3 killed 2 hurt
May 29, 2012 - Seattle, Washington 6 killed
July 9, 2012 – Wilmington, Delaware 3 killed
July 20, 2012 – Aurora, Colorado 12 killed 58 hurt
August 5, 2012 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin 7 killed
August 14, 2012 - Texas A&M University 3 killed
September 27, 2012 - Minneapolis, Minnesota 6 killed 3 hurt
October 21, 2012 - Brookfield, Wisconsin 4 killed 4 hurt
December 11, 2012 – Portland, OR 3 killed
December 14, 2012 - Newtown, Connecticut 27 killed


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