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Gun Toters Question
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Gun Toters Question
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Why is it that the very people who own and collect all these guns, assult rifels, weapons of destruction are the very ones who are the most paranoid, aggressive, beligerant and defensive ? And of cour
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Gun Toters Question
posted at January 19, 2013 9:34 AM EST
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Posts: 56
First: January 16, 2011 Last: February 28, 2013 |
Why is it that the very people who own and collect all these guns, assult rifels, weapons of destruction are the very ones who are the most paranoid, aggressive, beligerant and defensive ? And of course the most in our faces trying to scare us into their way of thinking. I have not see anywhere where anyone but you have said "They gonna come take our guns"? What they have said is there will be stiffer regulations for purchasing them from here on. It seems to me that if you were on the right side of the law, doing or planning nothing you felt was wrong, you would have nothing to fear. Criminals, thugs, gangsters, felons, terrorists have reason to be afraid of getting caught by police, other thugs, gangsters, felons, terrorists, why are you? |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 19, 2013 11:03 AM EST
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Posts: 340
First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 17, 2013 |
Do Criminals, thugs, gangsters, felons, terrorists buy guns at a gun shop, and actually go thru background checks? Or do they get them thru black markets, or steal them? Making the laws more strict on responsible gun owners isn't going to stop, thugs, gangsters, felons, terrorists, from getting guns. Just because of their background, it wouldn't make any sense for them to try to buy a gun thru legal means. So, logically, if criminals, thugs, gangsters, felons, terrorists, haven't been buying guns thru legal means to begin with, why would making the process more strict, make any difference to them? So, your question of "Why is it that the very people who own and collect all these guns, assult rifels, weapons of destruction are the very ones who are the most paranoid, aggressive, beligerant and defensive ?" "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” "The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." Thomas Jefferson |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 19, 2013 12:16 PM EST
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First: January 16, 2011 Last: February 28, 2013 |
I understand there's always gonna be bad folks that get a hold of these weapons any way they can. So you think things should just stay as they are? That we should do nothing because these bad folks are always going to find a way to get these weapons? Where have you seen or heard that the government is coming to take your guns away? I appreciate your input and opinion |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 19, 2013 1:34 PM EST
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Gun Toters Question: I understand there's always gonna be bad folks that get a hold of these weapons any way they can. So you think things should just stay as they are? That we should do nothing because these bad folks are always going to find a way to get these weapons? Where have you seen or heard that the government is coming to take your guns away? I appreciate your input and opinion Posted by vegaspeach I haven't heard that the government is coming to take my guns away. They are not going to do that. The Obama administrations approach to gun control isn't going to take my guns. And yes, something needs to be done, but the 23 actions that Obama just came up with doesn't address the criminal element. It targets the responsible gun owner. It is like back when we were in school, and the class clown did something wrong, and the teacher punished the whole class for it, with double homework. I don't have the answer you want. Banning assault weapons, won't make assault weapons go away. Restricting clips to 10 rounds doesn't stop a person from carrying multiple clips. Making me, go thru a more intense background check, or mental health evaluation, doesn't make the criminal element go thru a more intense background check or mental health evaluation. Lanza didn't buy the guns he used. He didn't go thru a background check, or mental health evaluation. His mother was supposed to have told people to be leery of him, and not turn their back on him, yet she herself didn't secure her own weapons. And it cost her, her life. This is a very tough issue, and even if someone goes to a gun shop, and fails a background check, will it stop him/her from seeking other means of obtaining a weapon? Probably not. I wish I had the ultimate answer, but I don't. And I don't see where any of the 23 actions taken by Obama is the answer. I have guns. I live in Louisiana, and we have an "Open Carry" law. As long as my gun is not concealed, I can carry it with me to most places. There are places that are restricted too. I, personally, have a concealed permit. ALL of my guns are registered, and I keep them in a gun safe. And most of the time, I do have my gun with me. I shoot at the range quite often. I have never had to use my guns in public, but that is not to say I wouldn't try to stop a crazy shooter. I don't want to be a hero, and hope I would never be pushed into that kind of situation. But in today's world, I don't want to be the victim either. I'm not going to go out because some clown is off his rocker. These shooters do these cowardly crimes in gun free zones, like schools, movie theaters, and malls, because they can inflict mass casualties knowing there are no guns there to stop them. The city, state, and country doesn't, and can't guarantee my safety. Even a complete outlawing of guns, wouldn't keep the criminal element from obtaining a weapon. Man is mans worst enemy. Until man evolves to a higher level, where respect for human life is the ultimate law, this will never stop. So for me anyway, I stay prepared. Do we put thumbprint readers in guns so only the owner can fire them? Maybe. Could that be bypassed or hacked? Probably. I wish I could answer you better, or come up with a solution. |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 19, 2013 3:00 PM EST
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Gun Toters Question: Thanks for you input wisemagic. I hope there can be some resolve and certainly hope for man to evolve to a higher respect for human life, we sure do need that. Posted by vegaspeach You're welcome. I wish I could be more precise, and come up with a definitive solution to the craziness. I'm also a trucker. Going to have to talk to dispatch. Haven't been to Vegas for quite a while...lol Take care, and stay alert. 
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 20, 2013 2:39 AM EST
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Posts: 585
First: May 28, 2012 Last: May 15, 2013 |
I know we all have our opinions and I respect that, but after we lost those little Angels in Newtown, Conn. and some of those precious little ones were shot 11 times, I've had enough and its time for common sense. I am all for the right to bear arms and I own a firearm, but In my humble opinion there is no legitimate reason for any civilian to have a weapon that carries 30 - 100 rounds of ammunition. These Assault type weapons are made to kill dozens of people at one time. The way I see it is, If you cant defend yourself with a 45 handgun carrying 10 rounds or a 12 gauge shotgun carrying 8 slugs, then maybe you shouldn't be carrying any weapon. Four of our most recent mass shootings were committed by suspects carrying Assault Style Rifles with 30 round magazines. Purchases at Gun Shows without background checks should also be banned. Does it make any sense that a Terrorist, who is on our " No Fly " list can still drive to a gun show in several of our states and purchase 10 Assault Rifles that carry 30 - 100 rounds of ammunition ? Is that how easy we want gun buying to be ? There are over 300 million known firearms out there in the U.S. already. When is enough enough ? Response to Re: Gun Toters Question: I understand there's always gonna be bad folks that get a hold of these weapons any way they can. So you think things should just stay as they are? That we should do nothing because these bad folks are always going to find a way to get these weapons? Where have you seen or heard that the government is coming to take your guns away? I appreciate your input and opinion
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 20, 2013 4:55 AM EST
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First: September 2, 2012 Last: January 20, 2013 |
My personal belief is folks who want to have these assault weapons want to have them just for the sake of having them. There is no other reason to own one. I believe they should not be for sale to the general public. It is just plain silly! As we have heard several times these past few weeks. The NRA is not a gun owners club. The NRA exisists to support gun manufacturers and gun sellers. They have a monetary interest in seeing these gun sales continue. As always, follow the money. |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 20, 2013 9:06 AM EST
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 17, 2013 |
Let's look at Obama's 23 point plan. 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health. What I see is a lot of bureaucracy. I see a lot of things pertaining to the background check system, letter publishing, memorandums, and issuing reports. In my opinion, I just do not see where any of this, would keep a person from obtaining an assault weapon. Do You?? I'm still under the assumption that these weapons, can be purchased, as long as your background check and mental health passes. I still believe that if the criminal element wants an assault weapon, they will be able to get one. If they can't buy it legally, the black market is still an option. The main thing I see in Obama's 23 point system, is that as long as I am able to pass the background check, I can still buy any weapon. I may be under a little more scrutiny, but that is just about all. I do not see the word "BANNED" anywhere. I do not see harsher penalties for those caught with unregistered or stolen weapons. I do not see mandatory safety and training classes for first time buyers. I do not see any restrictions that would prevent me from purchasing a weapaon, if someone else living in my home is a known gun offender or has a history of mental health problems. There are just so many loose ends and loopholes in these 23 points. Lanza didn't commit this crime himself. He had help. His mother. By her, not securing her own weapons, she aided her son in this terrible crime. Being able to pass a background check is just one step. Being a responsible gun owner is a total seperate thing. Had she secured her weapons, her son probably would not have been able to carry out this slaughter. I, personally, do not want or need an assault weapon. And, like I stated in the previous post, people that know they can't pass a background check, will seek other ways of getting a weapon. So making the background check more intense, will put more scrutiny on me and responsible buyers, but the criminal element will bypass this. Just like they always have before. Guns need to be handled like cars. All will need to be registered and when sold privately, the registration will need to be transferred to the new owner and the new owner needs to go thru the background check and mental health evaluation before taking ownership. Problem is, there are literally millions of unregistered guns out there. Stolen weapons need to be reported immediately, to clear the owner of any criminal activity the gun may end up being involved in. I will comply with what ever the law is. I don't have a problem with this, it is just that I do not see anything here, in these 23 actions, that will actually reduce the purchasing of any guns. Period. Responsible gun owners have been complying with the laws, as the laws have been. Making the laws a little more strict is fine, and responsible buyers and owners will comply, because it is the law. The criminal element will continue to get around these laws, as they have always done. Obama's plan is just a lot of bureaucracy. A bunch of lip service or "feel good legislation". Read the 23 points again. Do you really feel safer? Do you really think the Obama administration has addressed the gun control issue? |
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Re: Gun Toters Question
posted at January 21, 2013 11:28 AM EST
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First: October 13, 2012 Last: May 17, 2013 |
Ask yourself one question. Which one of Obama's 23 actions would have prevented a 15 year old boy from killing 5 family members with an assault weapon? It's very simple... NOT ONE OF THEM. Friends, STAY ALERT, especially in gun free zones like malls, schools, churches, and even parking lots, because the next shooter is out there. And he doesn't care about Obama's 23 Gun Control Actions. Change.org does have a petition going The Government: Reenact the Federal Assault Weapons Ban and Make it Law. http://www.change.org/petitions/the-government-reenact-the-federal-assault-weapons-ban-and-make-it-law?utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=url_share&utm_campaign=url_share_before_sign |
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