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GOP and Democratic Conventional Wisdom - What Happened in Tampa and Charlotte
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What do you think about what went on at the two major political party conventions — the GOP in Tampa and Democratic in Charlotte? Have your say ... the more often, the better. You can also get c
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Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa
posted at September 6, 2012 2:28 PM EDT
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First: August 28, 2012 Last: October 15, 2012 |
"We cannot be the world's policeman," you say. Best I can remember, it was President Bush No. 1 who sent our troops into the Persian Gulf ("Operation Desert Storm") and President Bush No. 2 who sent our troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. (In a recent poll by the Pew Research Center, 30 percent of veterans said that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't worth fighting. Bush, who ducked military service, told ABC News that he hopes history "proves them wrong.") In Response to Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa: In Response to Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa : The president does not worry about sending jobs overseas, he just sends the money that the citizens in this country have worked hard for. He sends billions and billions of dollars to Brazil for oil wells. He sends billions and billions of dollars to other countries for support, when it just goes to the leaders of those country to get wealthy on and the people of those countries are still starving. We cannot be the worlds policeman. We need a president that will take care of this country and not turn it over to the muslim countries, like Obama is doing. Posted by nurselady77 |
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Healthcare cost-shifting
posted at September 6, 2012 7:17 PM EDT
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The Affordable Care act reduces Medicare expenses by $716 billion to pay for other provisions of the Act. Most of this comes from a 27% reduction in fees paid to hospitals and physicians. Most analyses fail to examine the true impact of these cuts. Here is an example you can play around with: A Primary Care Physician (PCP) bills $1 million a year in fees. His operating expenses are $730,000, leaving him with an income of $270,000.. The Act will reduce his fees by $270,000, leaving him with zero income! No matter how you change the basic premises, the effect is disastrous for the physician. How will PCPs react to preserve their incomes? 1. Many older doctors will simply retire -- just as Obamacare assures insurance coverage for 42 million additional patients. What good is insurance if you can't find a doctor? 2. Many, perhaps most, will institute "concierge fees," out-of-pocket annual fees to be a patient. These fees are typically about $2,000 per patient: $4,000 for a family of two Medicare recipients. If the typical Medicare patient sees four doctors, e.g., PCP, ophthamologist, orthopedist, dermatologist, urologist, etc., the increased cost will be $8,000 a year. That will be a hell of a chunk out of my retirement income. 3. Alternatively, a physician will need to see many more patients each day. My PCP already limits a visit to15 minutes. How much medical care can you get in ten minutes? The result: Poorer medical care. None of these options will show up on the federal budget, enabling Democrats to triumphantly declare "mission accomplished" while the rest of us get screwed. |
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Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte
posted at September 6, 2012 8:18 PM EDT
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For all you seniors, if Obama gets elected and Obama Care goes through, good luck finding a doctor to care for your needs. Today's Medicare, more doctors are either leaving the practice or not accepting Medicare patients because the government continues to reduce their pay for the services provided. |
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Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte
posted at September 7, 2012 7:34 AM EDT
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I am concerned about the Republican approach that will leave those of us retired and retiring soon as orphans with no more money coming into the system. I am also concerned that with the Democratic action to reduce withholding the account goes "broke" more quickly. I'd like to know what is going to be done to put that money back in and that there is no desire to start means testing social security as some kind of welfare instead of the retirement program we've paid into all of our lives. |
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Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte
posted at September 7, 2012 7:41 AM EDT
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In response to "Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte": Why is AARP supporting a cut of $716 billion from the Medicare Advantage program that seniors have paid into all their life so that those who paid little or nothing into Medicare will get health care under the Democratic Plan? Posted by rlp34202 How many times do they need to say it , it's a cut that effects the providers not the core of medicare . Pay attension !!! |
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Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa
posted at September 7, 2012 7:44 AM EDT
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In response to "Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa": "We cannot be the world's policeman," you say. Best I can remember, it was President Bush No. 1 who sent our troops into the Persian Gulf ("Operation Desert Storm") and President Bush No. 2 who sent our troops into Iraq and Afghanistan. (In a recent poll by the Pew Research Center, 30 percent of veterans said that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't worth fighting. Bush, who ducked military service, told ABC News that he hopes history "proves them wrong.") In Response to Re: GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Tampa : Posted by BaileyVA Had you watched the DNC last night ,he said just that , bring it all back here ! |
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Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte
posted at September 7, 2012 8:26 AM EDT
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Cutting 716 Billion from Medicare will mean huge profits for AARP medical. That is why they are want Obama. They said it will also eliminate hospitals and that will include drs, nurses & staff which will mean far fewer jobs. I will be 75 and unfortunately, due to medical circumstances I only have social security as income and a two day a week job. I was a single mom since my son was 6. My generation earned "womens" wages, way below what men earned for the same work, but I have always paid my own way, so there was never a savings account. Recently, one of my co-pays for an important prescription that I will have to take the rest of my life went from $7 under Medicare to $46.00 That plus other prescriptions, extra bills for doctors fees and my supplimental health & prescription insurace (because I refuse to go on the dole) means that fully half of my income goes to my medical. I've worked since I was 14, and while a mother I worked several jobs. I'd do it again in a heartbeat if needed, I just feel I put into these plans for 60 years believing the promises and now they are not keeping those promises. |
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Re: Democratic and GOP Conventional Wisdom - What's Happening in Charlotte
posted at September 7, 2012 9:06 AM EDT
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In his acceptance speech, Obama said : “We will reform and strengthen Medicare for the long haul, but we’ll do it by reducing the cost of health care — not by asking seniors to pay thousands of dollars more.” This is what scares me. Obama hasn't done a very good job at anything except taking vacations and golfing. We're all going to end up in his Obamacare system of medicine,BY PRESIDENTIAL MANDATE, if he gets reElected! That seems to be the only way he can get what " HE WANTS "! Not what's best for us seniors or America as a whole. President Obama is a WildCard and you never know what he will come up with next. He is a man who has put all of his lifes records off limits to anyone,even school records! I just wonder what he is really hiding. I am not afraid of Romney and Ryan because I do not think they will go to some kind of a voucher system. I think it was thrown out there as an alternative and the Liberal Press grabbed it and blew it up into something to try to scare us into voting Obama / Biden,the Liberal Press are very good at their jobs.
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Re: Healthcare cost-shifting
posted at September 7, 2012 10:17 AM EDT
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First: March 18, 2011 Last: October 23, 2012 |
In Response to Healthcare cost-shifting: The Affordable Care act reduces Medicare expenses by $716 billion to pay for other provisions of the Act. Most of this comes from a 27% reduction in fees paid to hospitals and physicians. Most analyses fail to examine the true impact of these cuts. Here is an example you can play around with: A Primary Care Physician (PCP) bills $1 million a year in fees. His operating expenses are $730,000, leaving him with an income of $270,000.. The Act will reduce his fees by $270,000, leaving him with zero income! No matter how you change the basic premises, the effect is disastrous for the physician. How will PCPs react to preserve their incomes? 1. Many older doctors will simply retire -- just as Obamacare assures insurance coverage for 42 million additional patients. What good is insurance if you can't find a doctor? 2. Many, perhaps most, will institute "concierge fees," out-of-pocket annual fees to be a patient. These fees are typically about $2,000 per patient: $4,000 for a family of two Medicare recipients. If the typical Medicare patient sees four doctors, e.g., PCP, ophthamologist, orthopedist, dermatologist, urologist, etc., the increased cost will be $8,000 a year. That will be a hell of a chunk out of my retirement income. 3. Alternatively, a physician will need to see many more patients each day. My PCP already limits a visit to15 minutes. How much medical care can you get in ten minutes? The result: Poorer medical care. None of these options will show up on the federal budget, enabling Democrats to triumphantly declare "mission accomplished" while the rest of us get screwed. I believe that your basic premise is incorrect: The savings do not come from lower physician fees. They do come from lower fees for other service providers -- hospitals, skilled nursing -- but not from lower fees for physicians. Here's a pretty good explanation. Posted by Gberman |
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