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I LIKE the idea of being RICH.....who doesn't.....its not about hating being RICH and twisting my words into something entirely different. But when people pathologically hoard so much cas
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GETTING RICH AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE
posted at December 19, 2011 5:02 PM EST
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Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
I LIKE the idea of being RICH.....who doesn't.....its not about hating being RICH and twisting my words into something entirely different. But when people pathologically hoard so much cash that they impoverish the entire nation, stupidly we put them on the cover of Fortune magazine and pretend that they are role models. These crown princes of capital use violence at the sharp end as we see during the OCCUPY demonstrations for the repossession of homes men and women have worked a lifetime for - needless deaths from starvation and geopolitical machinations. There must certainly be some sociopathic minds behind Bilderberg since they go to so much trouble to promote policies that lead to exploitation , inequality and despair. These individuals seem oddly switched off from the suffering they are clearly causing. Surely only pernicious people would want to control the ideology of the world's mainstream press, and undermine natural political discourse. Public opinion and democratic institutions are a threat when you want to own the world.
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 19, 2011 8:36 PM EST
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Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
I was born in poverty - a father who was a laborer (union) and a WWII vet; a mother who was deaf - neither had any education past the 4th grade. At 14, I took over the family finances and budgeted every cent including the money that I made babysitting at 1st and then later in a grocery store. I went to college, got my degree and became self-employed. I have done well - my (large) custom built home is paid off, I made my own contributions to my retirement accounts through the years and managed the investments. I have had individual health insurance coverage all my life, used it rarely but did see a great benefit from having it when my husband got gravely ill. I put my child through college but she paid for her masters degree herself. She is a well-paid independent contractor and works with many of the Fortune 500 companies. I sold my parents' home and property when they became too old to deal with it - sold at the height of the market - now my mother is in a nice private pay assisted living facility instead of in a nursing home at the taxpayers expense. I point this out because we worked to get to where we are today. We have had no employer to provide anything to us. We paid our own taxes, payroll and withholding - we matched our own social security, had NO 401K match from anybody except ourselves. I believe in a country where this is attainable. I believe in a country that understands fiscal responsibility just like families should do. I believe in a country where people are able to learn and lift themselves up. I use to believe that was this country - I'm not so sure anymore cause all I hear is complaining and "class warefare". I look around me in my town and see people out of work but they have no skills to market. What did they do before - they worked in a factory putting this widget into that widget. Now it is done somewhere else - as well it should be. Why pay American workers not only a salary, but their health insurance, their retirement, their social security/medicare match, their unemployment insurance and their workmanscomp which all adds up to quite a bit for something that someone else will do for a fraction and both have the same abilities, education level and allegiance. Of course, I have been affected by this economic downturn somewhat but because I have always known what was important to survive and thrive, it has not affected me as much as others. Always remember to read and understand what you sign and what goes up can always come down! |
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Re: GETTING RICH AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE
posted at December 20, 2011 8:48 AM EST
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First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
I NEVER lived in poverty. But I'm not BLIND to it and I don't have to listen to FOX or MSNBC to figure out why. Someone in DC has to recognize we have too many people for too few jobs. People are living longer, we still have immigration. We have technology & automation taking the place of people in those GOOD JOBS. We need people for the 40% low-pay service oriented jobs....clerks...gardeners...maintenance workers etc.....and when there are more people than jobs---then there are non-negotiable wages and keep them POOR so they'll be desperate to do anything to survive. The corporate owned MEDIA applauds the woman having her 20th child....instead of putting these people in the cateogry of belonging in the world of rodents who multiply and destroy the environment. Anytime someone in government mentions anything about birth control or abortion, every religious looney in the country comes unglued. Just wait til we have 15 or 20 percent unemployed, and either we are paying more for unemployment/welfare benefits than anything else....or these millions of unemployed are living in squalid plywood shacks, and begging for food. Perhaps then, it will dawn on people that this planet, and the global economies, cannot support a doubling of the human population. But in fact the population growth added nearly 80 million people to the earth's population each year. The 50 poorest countries on earth are also those with the highest fertility rates.....with no access to birth control. It is a strain on their environment, quality of life and often close to starvation. |
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 20, 2011 10:01 AM EST
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Posts: 3
First: October 28, 2011 Last: December 20, 2011 |
You are totally wrong. It is wonderful that you have made something of yourself, however your idea of letting jobs be sent to other locations because they work for less and have the same education is stupid. Think about it, if you brought all those jobs back to the U.S. that were sent to china and all those other countries, first of all you would really cut unemployment, secondly people woould pay taxes which would help the economy, true companies would make less profit at first but in the long run, our country would grow and be the country we have always known. Your comment that all people do is complain, is faulty, If there were jobs here and people could work anf pay for their homes you would not hear them complain. You are just one of the lucky ones, nad so wat if some people can only put one widget in another, at least they would be getting paid and pay taxes and the money would not go to other countries. Sometimes profit is not everything. Bring the jobs home and see the difference it will make. In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.: I was born in poverty - a father who was a laborer (union) and a WWII vet; a mother who was deaf - neither had any education past the 4th grade. At 14, I took over the family finances and budgeted every cent including the money that I made babysitting at 1st and then later in a grocery store. I went to college, got my degree and became self-employed. I have done well - my (large) custom built home is paid off, I made my own contributions to my retirement accounts through the years and managed the investments. I have had individual health insurance coverage all my life, used it rarely but did see a great benefit from having it when my husband got gravely ill. I put my child through college but she paid for her masters degree herself. She is a well-paid independent contractor and works with many of the Fortune 500 companies. I sold my parents' home and property when they became too old to deal with it - sold at the height of the market - now my mother is in a nice private pay assisted living facility instead of in a nursing home at the taxpayers expense. I point this out because we worked to get to where we are today. We have had no employer to provide anything to us. We paid our own taxes, payroll and withholding - we matched our own social security, had NO 401K match from anybody except ourselves. I believe in a country where this is attainable. I believe in a country that understands fiscal responsibility just like families should do. I believe in a country where people are able to learn and lift themselves up. I use to believe that was this country - I'm not so sure anymore cause all I hear is complaining and "class warefare". I look around me in my town and see people out of work but they have no skills to market. What did they do before - they worked in a factory putting this widget into that widget. Now it is done somewhere else - as well it should be. Why pay American workers not only a salary, but their health insurance, their retirement, their social security/medicare match, their unemployment insurance and their workmanscomp which all adds up to quite a bit for something that someone else will do for a fraction and both have the same abilities, education level and allegiance. Of course, I have been affected by this economic downturn somewhat but because I have always known what was important to survive and thrive, it has not affected me as much as others. Always remember to read and understand what you sign and what goes up can always come down! Posted by GailL1 |
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Re: GETTING RICH AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE
posted at December 20, 2011 10:25 AM EST
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Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: GETTING RICH AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PEOPLE: />>>>"I NEVER lived in poverty. But I'm not BLIND to it and I don't have to listen to FOX or MSNBC to figure out why. "<<< If people want to remove themselves from poverty - they need to understand the routes that are in place now to help them; however they must realize that this may involve changes to their lives in all respects - people, places and things. Only when you get sick and tired or it will you discover the route out of such existence. May I suggest CSpan or at least reliable sources on the web to research before you post. I read: Kaiser Health News, The Hill and the Financial Times. I read MedPac studies and recommendations to find out the researched state of Medicare and Medicaid. >>>>"Someone in DC has to recognize we have too many people for too few jobs. People are living longer, we still have immigration. We have technology & automation taking the place of people in those GOOD JOBS. We need people for the 40% low-pay service oriented jobs....clerks...gardeners...maintenance workers etc.....and when there are more people than jobs---then there are non-negotiable wages and keep them POOR so they'll be desperate to do anything to survive."<<<<<<<<<< Everybody in this country has the right to negotiate their wages. If they have great skills, in an area of demand, perform their jobs to excellent capabilities, can change with the times, then they have proven worth for whatever the rate their job pays. If the jobs that we have available for those limited skills are in the service-connected area, then you better hope the rich don't get taxed to much since they are primarily the ones paying those salaries. Even today people who have skills in the area of gardening, caregivers, housekeepers and are great at what they do and perhaps become self-employed and are good business people - can demand higher wages for their services. Of course this might mean that they cover their own expenses, taxes and pay them accordingly. />>>>"The corporate owned MEDIA applauds the woman having her 20th child....instead of putting these people in the cateogry of belonging in the world of rodents who multiply and destroy the environment. Anytime someone in government mentions anything about birth control or abortion, every religious looney in the country comes unglued."<<<< I don't see any applauds for having children that you cannot afford. Personal responsibility has gone out the window in our country. It should be no ones business as to the course a person takes in birth control, however with that right to choose comes personal responsibility not a taxpayers respnsibility. >>>"Just wait til we have 15 or 20 percent unemployed, and either we are paying more for unemployment/welfare benefits than anything else....or these millions of unemployed are living in squalid plywood shacks, and begging for food. Perhaps then, it will dawn on people that this planet, and the global economies, cannot support a doubling of the human population. But in fact the population growth added nearly 80 million people to the earth's population each year. The 50 poorest countries on earth are also those with the highest fertility rates.....with no access to birth control. It is a strain on their environment, quality of life and often close to starvation. Posted by JANMB"<<<<<< No way to change the world especially when we can't even get things right here. In some communities, especially minority communities, the Unemployment rate is already at 15 - 20 % - WHY????? Personal responsibility and expanding our brains to plan ahead is the only way people here are going to change their ways. That involves CHANGE at the most personal level - making decisions for oneself and family - it is not just learning to live within government eligibility standards for some promised benefit. Have a good day! |
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 20, 2011 10:33 AM EST
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Posts: 531
First: August 9, 2011 Last: May 19, 2013 |
Pretty selfish if you think you did this all by yourself. No Man is an Island. Without the American People you would not be where you are. And what have you given back to these people who have put you where you are but not been as lets say as LUCKY as you for your health and prosperity? In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.: I was born in poverty - a father who was a laborer (union) and a WWII vet; a mother who was deaf - neither had any education past the 4th grade. At 14, I took over the family finances and budgeted every cent including the money that I made babysitting at 1st and then later in a grocery store. I went to college, got my degree and became self-employed. I have done well - my (large) custom built home is paid off, I made my own contributions to my retirement accounts through the years and managed the investments. I have had individual health insurance coverage all my life, used it rarely but did see a great benefit from having it when my husband got gravely ill. I put my child through college but she paid for her masters degree herself. She is a well-paid independent contractor and works with many of the Fortune 500 companies. I sold my parents' home and property when they became too old to deal with it - sold at the height of the market - now my mother is in a nice private pay assisted living facility instead of in a nursing home at the taxpayers expense. I point this out because we worked to get to where we are today. We have had no employer to provide anything to us. We paid our own taxes, payroll and withholding - we matched our own social security, had NO 401K match from anybody except ourselves. I believe in a country where this is attainable. I believe in a country that understands fiscal responsibility just like families should do. I believe in a country where people are able to learn and lift themselves up. I use to believe that was this country - I'm not so sure anymore cause all I hear is complaining and "class warefare". I look around me in my town and see people out of work but they have no skills to market. What did they do before - they worked in a factory putting this widget into that widget. Now it is done somewhere else - as well it should be. Why pay American workers not only a salary, but their health insurance, their retirement, their social security/medicare match, their unemployment insurance and their workmanscomp which all adds up to quite a bit for something that someone else will do for a fraction and both have the same abilities, education level and allegiance. Of course, I have been affected by this economic downturn somewhat but because I have always known what was important to survive and thrive, it has not affected me as much as others. Always remember to read and understand what you sign and what goes up can always come down! Posted by GailL1 |
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 20, 2011 10:37 AM EST
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Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.: You are totally wrong. It is wonderful that you have made something of yourself, however your idea of letting jobs be sent to other locations because they work for less and have the same education is stupid. Think about it, if you brought all those jobs back to the U.S. that were sent to china and all those other countries, first of all you would really cut unemployment, secondly people woould pay taxes which would help the economy, true companies would make less profit at first but in the long run, our country would grow and be the country we have always known. Your comment that all people do is complain, is faulty, If there were jobs here and people could work anf pay for their homes you would not hear them complain. You are just one of the lucky ones, nad so wat if some people can only put one widget in another, at least they would be getting paid and pay taxes and the money would not go to other countries. Sometimes profit is not everything. Bring the jobs home and see the difference it will make. In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how. : Posted by lomont8437 The world has changed and we are now in a GLOBAL economy - those widget factories are selling to the world now, not to just us consuming Americans. All Americans have to learn how to work smarter, not harder - those that cannot are at a real disadvantage in this world of complication, technology advancements, etc. Remember that the lower wage earners pay no Income taxes and the amount they are paying for the services that they receive - either now or later in their lives does not cover the bill. Many companies are making their profits from overseas sales - the U.S. consumer once bought everything - that has now changed - other parts of the world are consuming much more than us. A lot of the jobs that you are talking about have gone away just from technology advancements - why pay a person and all the other linked expenses when a machine can do it for less. |
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST
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Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.: Pretty selfish if you think you did this all by yourself. No Man is an Island. Without the American People you would not be where you are. And what have you given back to these people who have put you where you are but not been as lets say as LUCKY as you for your health and prosperity? In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how. : Posted by creppelrm SELFISH???? I paid my income taxes (individual and business) and every other required government charge, fee and license - local, state and federal. I paid those that worked for me - their employer matched contribution of Social Security and Medicare, their Unemployment Insurance, their Workmans Comp Inusrance, set up and jointly funded their individual retirement account, picked, managed & paid for their health insurance and for their dependents if they so chose. They worked about a 40 hour week, I worked upwards of 60 or more a week. Outside of all of that I hired others to manage other areas of my life enabling me to work more hours - nanny, periodic housekeeper, gardener in addition to working with other business professionals and their staff to keep the whole thing working - I have kept my mother off of Medicaid so her expenses in assisted living are NOT picked up by the taxpayers and am now though the $ 3200 per month that I pay to this facility helping to pay their staff of caregivers. May I also add that I gave to my favorite charities on a regular basis and more when there was a disaster - here or in the other parts of the world. I also purchased U.S.A. creative works from artist, craftsmen, web designers thus helping them to be self-sufficient and continue their work. Where is Selfish????? |
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Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.
posted at December 21, 2011 4:17 PM EST
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Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how.: In Response to Re: Getting Rich AND knowing how. : The world has changed and we are now in a GLOBAL economy - those widget factories are selling to the world now, not to just us consuming Americans. All Americans have to learn how to work smarter, not harder - those that cannot are at a real disadvantage in this world of complication, technology advancements, etc. Remember that the lower wage earners pay no Income taxes and the amount they are paying for the services that they receive - either now or later in their lives does not cover the bill. Many companies are making their profits from overseas sales - the U.S. consumer once bought everything - that has now changed - other parts of the world are consuming much more than us. A lot of the jobs that you are talking about have gone away just from technology advancements - why pay a person and all the other linked expenses when a machine can do it for less. Posted by GailL1 That's what they WANT you to believe.....that the world has changed --global-----factories---americans got to be smarter-BUNCH OF HOOEY. What has CHANGED is our POPULATION HAS CHANGED. ...we have 7 billion people on the planet and we have automation and technolgy THAT"s the CHANGE. We have plenty of qualifeid--educated--people looking for work. QUALIFIED not a problem. GOOD PAYING ARE THE PROBLEM ---TOO MANY PEOPLE. and it has been reaching this point for a while. But do they want PLANNED PARENTHOOD ? OR to talk about population growth ? NO---they want more workers than there are jobs because of non-negotiable wages and people who will do the dirty-work and wait on the 1%. |
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