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EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
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EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
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Patriot Coal has filed for bankrupcy due to the onerous regulations imposed upon it by the EPA. Basically the entire coal industry is under attack by the obama administration which has admitted that i
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EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 11, 2012 7:35 AM EDT
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Patriot Coal has filed for bankrupcy due to the onerous regulations imposed upon it by the EPA. Basically the entire coal industry is under attack by the obama administration which has admitted that it's goal was to make regulatory cost so high that they would be bankrupt. With an unemployment rate as high as it is putting thousands of coal miners and their dependents out of work makes no sense. Also, much of this coal was metalurgical coal, used to make steel. Much was exported to developing nations. A source of cheap energy is slowly being destroyed. The US is the Saudi Arabia of coal. Families in the midwest will see their electric bills go up as coal fired plants go off-line. Industries will also see their costs go up. It just doesn't make sense. But, I guess it's another example of the environmental lobby and their no nothing hollywood supporters getting the upper hand. |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 11, 2012 10:13 PM EDT
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This is PBS program on the resurgance of black lung disease that just happened to come out as you write your post. After reading about conditions in the mines and how these mining companies disregard regulations I sure you would still want your sons or daughters working in these death traps. I can see why someone would want to close this industry. You paint a rosey picture of happy coal miners who can't make a living. Well, as Clint Eastwood would say "dying aint making a living". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec12/coal_07-09.html In Response to EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: Patriot Coal has filed for bankrupcy due to the onerous regulations imposed upon it by the EPA. Basically the entire coal industry is under attack by the obama administration which has admitted that it's goal was to make regulatory cost so high that they would be bankrupt. With an unemployment rate as high as it is putting thousands of coal miners and their dependents out of work makes no sense. Also, much of this coal was metalurgical coal, used to make steel. Much was exported to developing nations. A source of cheap energy is slowly being destroyed. The US is the Saudi Arabia of coal. Families in the midwest will see their electric bills go up as coal fired plants go off-line. Industries will also see their costs go up. It just doesn't make sense. But, I guess it's another example of the environmental lobby and their no nothing hollywood supporters getting the upper hand. Posted by Labrat64 |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 11, 2012 11:43 PM EDT
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President Obama is " trying " to move towards cleaner technology. Coal puts sulfur dioxide,nitrogen oxide and mercury among other toxins in the air and is causing serious environmental and health problems. Look at China, its out of control. We cant keep beating on Mother Nature without deadly results. I feel bad for the coal workers, but cleaner energy is our future and saves lives. If we didn't have environmentalist and scientists who cared about our environment, we would not be around for long. In my opinion, It's a necessary checks and balances part of society.Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: This is PBS program on the resurgance of black lung disease that just happened to come out as you write your post. After reading about conditions in the mines and how these mining companies disregard regulations I sure you would still want your sons or daughters working in these death traps. I can see why someone would want to close this industry. You paint a rosey picture of happy coal miners who can't make a living. Well, as Clint Eastwood would say "dying aint making a living". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec12/coal_07-09.html In Response to EPA Policy and the Coal Industry :
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 12, 2012 7:13 AM EDT
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You're talking about the distant past. PBS has a tendency to exagerate greatly. As someone whose occupation was stongly regulated by OSHA, I'm familiar with procedures and safety precautions that are in place. Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: This is PBS program on the resurgance of black lung disease that just happened to come out as you write your post. After reading about conditions in the mines and how these mining companies disregard regulations I sure you would still want your sons or daughters working in these death traps. I can see why someone would want to close this industry. You paint a rosey picture of happy coal miners who can't make a living. Well, as Clint Eastwood would say "dying aint making a living". http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/health/july-dec12/coal_07-09.html In Response to EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 12, 2012 4:03 PM EDT
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It's a problem NOW, look at the pbs address I sent. n Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: President Obama is " trying " to move towards cleaner technology. Coal puts sulfur dioxide,nitrogen oxide and mercury among other toxins in the air and is causing serious environmental and health problems. Look at China, its out of control. We cant keep beating on Mother Nature without deadly results. I feel bad for the coal workers, but cleaner energy is our future and saves lives. If we didn't have environmentalist and scientists who cared about our environment, we would not be around for long. In my opinion, It's a necessary checks and balances part of society.Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by mandm84 |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 14, 2012 10:34 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: It's a problem NOW, look at the pbs address I sent. n Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by creppelrm The environmental regulations, which target air pollution and coal residue primarily from coal-fired power plants... Republicans, say it would kill jobs and harm the economy. "The rich need an abundant supply of the poor" - Voltaire The "rich" and their corporations need sacrificial lambs to give their lives, health and well being so the affluent can prosper. Good example : brothers Charles and David Koch have relentlessly pushed for less government regulation cause they have been charged with releasing tons of cancer-causing benzene into the atmosphere and have had five criminal convictions in the U.S. and Canada and there are others out there like the Kochs.
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 15, 2012 9:48 AM EDT
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PBS is a front for left wing causes. As a scientist, I'm capable of distinguishing between true conclusions and false assumptions. Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: It's a problem NOW, look at the pbs address I sent. n Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 15, 2012 9:59 AM EDT
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While natural gas fired power plants seem to be replacing coal fired ones, we must think of how we utilize our resources. Natural gas contains ethylene and propylene and is a feedstock for many plastics and fertilizers. Natural gas and fracking has made our chemical industry more than competitive with cheap third world nations. Coal is better used as a fuel for generating electricity. Most plants have scrubbers to limit pariculate emissions. We cannot abandon this major resource. Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: In Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : The environmental regulations, which target air pollution and coal residue primarily from coal-fired power plants... Republicans, say it would kill jobs and harm the economy. "The rich need an abundant supply of the poor" - Voltaire The "rich" and their corporations need sacrificial lambs to give their lives, health and well being so the affluent can prosper. Good example : brothers Charles and David Koch have relentlessly pushed for less government regulation cause they have been charged with releasing tons of cancer-causing benzene into the atmosphere and have had five criminal convictions in the U.S. and Canada and there are others out there like the Kochs. Posted by JANMB |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 15, 2012 12:14 PM EDT
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The only thing we would be abandoning is horrible death and environmental destruction. This is one natural resource that can be left in the ground like asbestos. You should be intelligent enough to know the consequences. You may as well burn wood as coal. I've been in cities of third world countries that used coal for a source of energy and every morning the smog was so bad that it burned your throat and nose. China is finding out what environmental disaster is. Mexico city is finding out why clean air is important. Republicans will also when enough people die of their instant gratification programs. In Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: While natural gas fired power plants seem to be replacing coal fired ones, we must think of how we utilize our resources. Natural gas contains ethylene and propylene and is a feedstock for many plastics and fertilizers. Natural gas and fracking has made our chemical industry more than competitive with cheap third world nations. Coal is better used as a fuel for generating electricity. Most plants have scrubbers to limit pariculate emissions. We cannot abandon this major resource. Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by Labrat64 |
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Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry
posted at July 16, 2012 7:35 AM EDT
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First: December 21, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
Don't compare us to China. We are lightyears ahead of them when it comes to clean burning of coal. Our plants have scrubbers and electrostatic filters to catch particulates. Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry: The only thing we would be abandoning is horrible death and environmental destruction. This is one natural resource that can be left in the ground like asbestos. You should be intelligent enough to know the consequences. You may as well burn wood as coal. I've been in cities of third world countries that used coal for a source of energy and every morning the smog was so bad that it burned your throat and nose. China is finding out what environmental disaster is. Mexico city is finding out why clean air is important. Republicans will also when enough people die of their instant gratification programs. In Response to Re: EPA Policy and the Coal Industry : Posted by creppelrm |
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