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A Doomsday Scenario Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort , to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Let's an
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A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 4:19 AM EST
Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
A Doomsday Scenario

Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Let's analyze 2 scenario's where the government becomes tyrannical, and the people react to restore liberty and freedom. It's a noble gesture, but is it possible?

Scenario 1
First of all, the government shuts down the power grid, and halts all interstate commerce. Store shelves are cleared within a day or two. No power or communications.
Military state is declared by the government, and shoot on sight is ordered, on anyone within 100 miles of DC. Suicide's escalate and murder for survival along with utter chaos, panic and rioting ensue among the people. Organizing any mass movement by the people becomes nearly impossible and attempts to form gorilla forces to move towards DC is met by immediate air strikes, on the most densely populated areas to thin out the masses. Basically the U.S. becomes a war zone of the people against the super power. Military bases throughout the country become mobilized armor divisions who's purpose is to restore order. With no viable way to contain any prisoners the orders will be to shoot any and all resistors, and consider anyone with a weapon to be hostile. No one get past the 100 mile barrier of DC, as carpet bombing 150 miles out continues daily. Any aircraft leaving an airport is met by fighter jets and immediately shot down. Within a week, people are starving. In a show of force, strategic bombing runs across the nation take place, and the order to cease and desist is given. 85 million are dead within the first week, starvation and disease set in.


Scenario 2
It starts the same way.
First of all, the government shuts down the power grid, and halts all interstate commerce. Store shelves are cleared within a day or two. No power or communications.
Military state is declared by the government, and shoot on sight is ordered, on anyone within 100 miles of DC. Suicide's escalate and murder for survival along with utter chaos, panic and rioting ensue among the people.
Negotiations between the people and the government open. But the government holds firm, and people continue to panic, riot and starve. All military bases are on full alert. Any show of forced entry is met by full firepower. Airports are shut down. No one in or out. Negotiations reach a stalemate. The government stands back and allows the people to fend for themselves or starve. Without food, clean water and sanitation, starvation and disease set in. Suicide and murder for survival are at the forefront. People turn on each other to survive. Any mass movement by the people is met by airstrikes. The government doesn't have to do very much. Let the people turn on each other and obliterate any mass movements of people.


Either scenario leads to the end of the United States as we know it.
Back when the second amendment was written, could our forefathers conceive the power of the government and military forces of the 21st Century?

And yes, we do have the right to protect ourselves against tyranny in government...... but realistically, can we? Our lives have become so dependent on government, the power grid, communications, transportation and interstate commerce to keep goods on our shelves, that without these, most are not able to survive for very long. Could either of these scenario's actually happen. Let's all hope not.
Because without Liberty and Freedom, there is nothing left. I think that is why Mr. Jefferson included "as a last resort".

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 12:01 PM EST
Posts: 56
First: January 16, 2011
Last: February 28, 2013
What is with all this "Doomsday " talk. My parents preached the "end of the world", "Fire and Brimstone", fromthe tme I was 8 years old on. Guess what, I'm still here and at 65 years old I refuse to spend the rest of my days, paraniod, insecure, afraid,or imtimadated by this Drama. I will not waste a moment worrying about what someone or the government MIGHT do.
I certainly realize the world has it problems and there may never be answers to many of them.
Call me crazy, but I would bet you my life is gonna go on just as it always has. I will make every day the very best I can and enjoy every minute of it.
Just my choice.

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 12:21 PM EST
Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
It is just a point of view as to what could possibly happen if the people were to rise up against the government.

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 5:45 PM EST
Posts: 56
First: January 16, 2011
Last: February 28, 2013
That's good to know.  I just see people on FB and other sites spewing the same negative, paranoid thing and I have to wonder why? Do we really want to scare people into enough hatred and rage that the crazies will come out of the woodwork and  do more horrific deeds?

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 6:06 PM EST
Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
In Response to Re: A Doomsday Scenario:
That's good to know.  I just see people on FB and other sites spewing the same negative, paranoid thing and I have to wonder why? Do we really want to scare people into enough hatred and rage that the crazies will come out of the woodwork and  do more horrific deeds?
Posted by vegaspeach


Main point is that we really could use the 2nd amendment to try to take over a tyrannical government, but could we even come close to winning?
Every gun advocate preaches the 2nd amendment for this sole reason, to take over a tyrannical government.

My aim here was to try to add a little bit of logic and common sense to such a thing ever happening. And how easy it would be for the military forces to stop us.

Without the power grid, communications, and food on the shelves, the government could stop any threat from the people in a matter of days. And it wouldn't matter how many guns the people have. We depend on government for so many things.

So, even as a gun owner myself, I think it is pretty foolish to think we would be able to pull off such a feat.

I don't own my guns because of fear of a tyrannical government.
I own my guns because of fear of the idiots that just want to slaughter innocent people for no reason.

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 22, 2013 9:23 PM EST
Posts: 56
First: January 16, 2011
Last: February 28, 2013
I agree, they will always be bigger, have more weapons and probably be one step ahead of us.

My Dad was a Marine for 21 years, my son for 13 and he now works for the Dept.of Defense and trains people for Counter Intelligence.
I learned  gun safety and how to shoot  but have never owned one. I am not comfortable around them or should I say people with them after being shot at by my drug addicted ex in my younger years.  I'll just take my chances now.

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 23, 2013 12:42 AM EST
Posts: 3027
First: March 2, 2008
Last: May 21, 2013
In Response to A Doomsday Scenario:
A Doomsday Scenario Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort , to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Let's analyze 2 scenario's where the government becomes tyrannical, and the people react to restore liberty and freedom. It's a noble gesture, but is it possible? Scenario 1 First of all, the government shuts down the power grid, and halts all interstate commerce. Store shelves are cleared within a day or two. No power or communications. Military state is declared by the government, and shoot on sight is ordered, on anyone within 100 miles of DC. Suicide's escalate and murder for survival along with utter chaos, panic and rioting ensue among the people. Organizing any mass movement by the people becomes nearly impossible and attempts to form gorilla forces to move towards DC is met by immediate air strikes, on the most densely populated areas to thin out the masses. Basically the U.S. becomes a war zone of the people against the super power. Military bases throughout the country become mobilized armor divisions who's purpose is to restore order. With no viable way to contain any prisoners the orders will be to shoot any and all resistors, and consider anyone with a weapon to be hostile. No one get past the 100 mile barrier of DC, as carpet bombing 150 miles out continues daily. Any aircraft leaving an airport is met by fighter jets and immediately shot down. Within a week, people are starving. In a show of force, strategic bombing runs across the nation take place, and the order to cease and desist is given. 85 million are dead within the first week, starvation and disease set in. Scenario 2 It starts the same way. First of all, the government shuts down the power grid, and halts all interstate commerce. Store shelves are cleared within a day or two. No power or communications. Military state is declared by the government, and shoot on sight is ordered, on anyone within 100 miles of DC. Suicide's escalate and murder for survival along with utter chaos, panic and rioting ensue among the people. Negotiations between the people and the government open. But the government holds firm, and people continue to panic, riot and starve. All military bases are on full alert. Any show of forced entry is met by full firepower. Airports are shut down. No one in or out. Negotiations reach a stalemate. The government stands back and allows the people to fend for themselves or starve. Without food, clean water and sanitation, starvation and disease set in. Suicide and murder for survival are at the forefront. People turn on each other to survive. Any mass movement by the people is met by airstrikes. The government doesn't have to do very much. Let the people turn on each other and obliterate any mass movements of people. Either scenario leads to the end of the United States as we know it. Back when the second amendment was written, could our forefathers conceive the power of the government and military forces of the 21st Century? And yes, we do have the right to protect ourselves against tyranny in government...... but realistically, can we? Our lives have become so dependent on government, the power grid, communications, transportation and interstate commerce to keep goods on our shelves, that without these, most are not able to survive for very long. Could either of these scenario's actually happen. Let's all hope not. Because without Liberty and Freedom, there is nothing left. I think that is why Mr. Jefferson included " as a last resort ".
Posted by wisemagic

I don't know why the government would shut down the power grid and stop all interstate commerce. Those in government have families aournd the country, so why would they want them to suffer?

I could see this happening as the result of cyber-terrorism which is a real threat. This would be a terrorists' dream of crippling our country. Instead of this foolish "fighting them over there", we need to invest in protecting our computer systems against hackers. They don't have launch a huge attack on us as before, but a click of a mouse could disable us. This frightens me more than the government taking control. 

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 23, 2013 9:40 AM EST
Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
In Response to Re: A Doomsday Scenario:
In Response to A Doomsday Scenario : I don't know why the government would shut down the power grid and stop all interstate commerce. Those in government have families aournd the country, so why would they want them to suffer? I could see this happening as the result of cyber-terrorism which is a real threat. This would be a terrorists' dream of crippling our country. Instead of this foolish "fighting them over there", we need to invest in protecting our computer systems against hackers. They don't have launch a huge attack on us as before, but a click of a mouse could disable us. This frightens me more than the government taking control. 
Posted by intersan


It's just a scenario to show that people use the 2nd amendment to preach that they have the right to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
The reality is, the government would win overall no matter how many guns the people have. So, it's a pretty poor excuse to reject gun registration and licensing.

I find it odd that when the Patriot Act and NDAA came about, which nulled our 4th and 6th amendments, nobody cried foul. Sure there was some discussion, but nothing like the gun control issue.

We all want the killing to stop, and we know what will have to be done to achieve that. But no one is willing to do it. Instead they want to beleive in the idea that gun registration is taking away a freedom or right. And that is something they won't give up. They are willing to continue to allow innocent people and children to be slaughtered, to preserve a right, that registration and licensing won't even take from them.

How many gang members have registered guns and are responsible gun owners? We want gang violence to stop, but we won't take their guns from them. They have the right to kill. That is what we are telling them by not controlling deadly weapons.

Gun control, registration and licensing is not disarming the people, it would make them more responsible.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I have enjoyed sharing thoughts with you all.
Next month, I will be leaving the country. Take Care, and God Bless You All.

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 23, 2013 1:05 PM EST
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First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to A Doomsday Scenario:
A Doomsday Scenario Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort , to protect themselves against tyranny in government. Let's analyze 2 scenario's where the government becomes tyrannical, and the people react to restore liberty and freedom.
Posted by wisemagic


1776 Jefferson's time was 237 years ago for cryn-out loud.    Don't you want to live in the modern world ?   

We -the -people  TODAY  have the army-navy-airforce, marines--coast guard--national guard--police--FBI--Homeland Security ALL MADE UP OF WE THE PEOPLE from all the states of the union who have families here....    Our GOVT is made up of we-the people of all the states .......GET REAL !!!!    

You can't sell us GUNS for ALL on the basis of nonsense of a possible government takeover.    Or an alien invasion.       SO forget it---it sounds stupid and it is stupid. 

Re: A Doomsday Scenario

posted at January 23, 2013 10:53 PM EST
Posts: 342
First: October 13, 2012
Last: May 20, 2013
In Response to Re: A Doomsday Scenario:
In Response to A Doomsday Scenario : 1776 Jefferson's time was 237 years ago for cryn-out loud.    Don't you want to live in the modern world ?    We -the -people  TODAY  have the army-navy-airforce, marines--coast guard--national guard--police--FBI--Homeland Security ALL MADE UP OF WE THE PEOPLE from all the states of the union who have families here....    Our GOVT is made up of we-the people of all the states .......GET REAL !!!!     You can't sell us GUNS for ALL on the basis of nonsense of a possible government takeover.    Or an alien invasion.       SO forget it---it sounds stupid and it is stupid. 
Posted by JANMB




That was exactly my point. We the people wouldn't stand a chance against the forces. But most that do not want gun control, use the 2nd as their excuse.
People complain about gang violence, but they won't let anyone take their guns away from gangs.
Not wanting some kind of gun control is just wanting violence gun crime and mass slaughter to continue.
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