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DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
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DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
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The rich and their corporations with the help of gov't co-conspiritors mainly the GOP created the need for more entitlements in this country by their decades of anti-labor policies..... than would ha
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Forums » Politics & Society » Government & Elections » DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
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DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
posted at January 9, 2012 2:17 PM EST
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The rich and their corporations with the help of gov't co-conspiritors mainly the GOP created the need for more entitlements in this country by their decades of anti-labor policies..... than would have been even necessary. There have been too many underpaid Americans for decades. More than 40 percent of Americans TODAY who actually are employed are now working in often low-pay service jobs....that are necessary for our social structure to be successful. We ALL have more money in our pockets for services and products because some people were not and are not paid enough today. Then, those without a SOUL don't want them to have any benefits at all when they are old. and chime in about "socialism" as if capitalism has ever been an issue where it will ever go away. They just hate poor people they help to create. If a man has an apartment stacked to the ceiling with newspapers we call him crazy. If a woman has a trailer house full of cats we call her nuts. But when people pathologically hoard so much cash that they impoverish the entire nation, we put them on the cover of Fortune magazine and pretend that they are role models. Modern-day Republicans have become, quite simply, the Party of the One Percent – the Party of the Rich. There is NO EVIDENCE that giving more tax breaks to the richest that they will hire more people.....when they make their profits by NOT HIRING more people and doing with less help. |
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Re: DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
posted at January 10, 2012 11:31 AM EST
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In Response to DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY: The rich and their corporations with the help of gov't co-conspiritors mainly the GOP created the need for more entitlements in this country by their decades of anti-labor policies..... than would have been even necessary. There have been too many underpaid Americans for decades. More than 40 percent of Americans TODAY who actually are employed are now working in often low-pay service jobs....that are necessary for our social structure to be successful. We ALL have more money in our pockets for services and products because some people were not and are not paid enough today. Then, those without a SOUL don't want them to have any benefits at all when they are old. and chime in about "socialism" as if capitalism has ever been an issue where it will ever go away. They just hate poor people they help to create. If a man has an apartment stacked to the ceiling with newspapers we call him crazy. If a woman has a trailer house full of cats we call her nuts. But when people pathologically hoard so much cash that they impoverish the entire nation, we put them on the cover of Fortune magazine and pretend that they are role models. Modern-day Republicans have become, quite simply, the Party of the One Percent – the Party of the Rich. There is NO EVIDENCE that giving more tax breaks to the richest that they will hire more people.....when they make their profits by NOT HIRING more people and doing with less help. Posted by JANMB I believe that every job has a worth and that worth is often identified in great extent to the person performing the job. That goes for whatever the job may be - from the lowest paid to the highest, to those that work on a base of salary to those that work on commissions and even investing and entrepreneurship. Our system has often dumbed down many people on their advancement. Government dictating what employers should or have to do for employees from tax collection to payment to benefits and benefit management. Unions have also caused much of this too. When you speak of worth of a job, everything has to be included, not just salary. Every person in this free land should be able to negotiate for their worth in their job - someone equally qualified for the position might do it cheaper and that has to be added into the negotiation. The current Administration has assigned numerous debt commissions and one of the things that has emerged in all of them is the need for tax reform, yet NO action has been taken. Republican will agree that this is necessary - get rid of loopholes - ALL of them and begin a tax system that encourages investors and entrepreneurs to build back America. Yes, some of them maybe the "rich" that you so depict as so eveil but few other have the money to risk. Why do employees not bind together and take over financially failing companies or start new ones when their job leaves our shores? It is the risk takers that make the new businesses on which our economy survives. Just like many high unemployment states are now giving tax incentives to companies to move to their state, the Federal government needs to take heed with this idea. No loopholes but a lower and more world competitive capital gains tax is the way to go, just like the Obama assigned debt commissions have verified. Points: 1. Don't cut off the hand that feeds you - it will be harder to get nourishment. 2. Each man must become more involved in their destiny. Where do you think Obama is getting his billion dollars for re-election? Who is not a past Wall Streeter in the current Administration? |
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Re: DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
posted at January 10, 2012 12:35 PM EST
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In Response to Re: DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY: In Response to DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY : I believe that every job has a worth and that worth is often identified in great extent to the person performing the job. That goes for whatever the job may be - from the lowest paid to the highest, to those that work on a base of salary to those that work on commissions and even investing and entrepreneurship. Our system has often dumbed down many people on their advancement. Government dictating what employers should or have to do for employees from tax collection to payment to benefits and benefit management. Unions have also caused much of this too. When you speak of worth of a job, everything has to be included, not just salary. Every person in this free land should be able to negotiate for their worth in their job - someone equally qualified for the position might do it cheaper and that has to be added into the negotiation. The current Administration has assigned numerous debt commissions and one of the things that has emerged in all of them is the need for tax reform, yet NO action has been taken. Republican will agree that this is necessary - get rid of loopholes - ALL of them and begin a tax system that encourages investors and entrepreneurs to build back America. Yes, some of them maybe the "rich" that you so depict as so eveil but few other have the money to risk. Why do employees not bind together and take over financially failing companies or start new ones when their job leaves our shores? It is the risk takers that make the new businesses on which our economy survives. Just like many high unemployment states are now giving tax incentives to companies to move to their state, the Federal government needs to take heed with this idea. No loopholes but a lower and more world competitive capital gains tax is the way to go, just like the Obama assigned debt commissions have verified. Points: 1. Don't cut off the hand that feeds you - it will be harder to get nourishment. 2. Each man must become more involved in their destiny. Where do you think Obama is getting his billion dollars for re-election? Who is not a past Wall Streeter in the current Administration? Posted by GailL1 Messing with my words won't cut it for ya ----WHO SAID we should have EQUAL PAY or SAID RICH PEOPLE ARE EVIL ? I didn't. I'm stating FACTS of UNFAIRNESS gone on too long. The top 400 earners in the U.S. paid an average tax rate of 18 percent, according to a Bloomberg TV report. And though that's a far lower rate than the 26.5 percent that many families making less than $100,000 pay annually in taxes, some of America's super-rich have been able to whittle their tax bill down even more, paying a tax rate as low as one percent, according to Bloomberg. But billionaires aren't the only ones that use loopholes to pay lower taxes. Thirty of America's most profitable corporations used rules like the "active financing exception" -- allowing corporations to sidestep paying taxes on overseas profits if they were derived by "actively financing" some activity or deal -- to pay less than zero in income taxes, according to a recent report from the Center for Tax Justice There is NO ONE who got rich on their own----They used the roads--our taxpayer educated workers---police-fire forces all those features the rest of us paid for. They got richer cause some 40% of Americans are working in low-pay service-oriented jobs and because they are underpaid it costs us less for services & goods and thus we line our pockets with more money.
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Re: DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY
posted at January 10, 2012 1:54 PM EST
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In Response to Re: DEFINING SOCIALISM and WHY SOME iS NECESSARY: The top 400 earners in the U.S. paid an average tax rate of 18 percent , according to a Bloomberg TV report. And though that's a far lower rate than the 26.5 percent that many families making less than $100,000 pay annually in taxes, some of America's super-rich have been able to whittle their tax bill down even more, paying a tax rate as low as one percent, according to Bloomberg. But billionaires aren't the only ones that use loopholes to pay lower taxes. Thirty of America's most profitable corporations used rules like the "active financing exception" -- allowing corporations to sidestep paying taxes on overseas profits if they were derived by "actively financing" some activity or deal -- to pay less than zero in income taxes , according to a recent report from the Center for Tax Justice There is NO ONE who got rich on their own----They used the roads--our taxpayer educated workers---police-fire forces all those features the rest of us paid for. They got richer cause some 40% of Americans are working in low-pay service-oriented jobs and because they are underpaid it costs us less for services & goods and thus we line our pockets with more money. Posted by JANMB Remember that capital gains taxes are at a lower rate than an income tax rate because it does spur economic growth and we have to remain competitive in this world economy. Yes, there is no law that profits have to come back to US soil - thus all the talk about repatriation of profits. If companies are making much of their profit overseas - be careful what you ask for, cause they could just move. We are no longer the "only" modernly equipted nation - why should they stay here if there are other parts of the world that are in growth mode where we use to be once upon a time. Businesses pay a MUCH higher rate of (state and local) taxation and for business licenses for local services than residential people - that covers police, fire, public schools, libraries/parks, etc. In fact, in my community private businesses take on a much larger roll of funding these local institutions and may donate a lot of money for common community efforts for these and other social projects like battered women, homelessness,. The give and cooperate with many nonprofit agencies for the common good. Who is working those " low-pay service-oriented jobs" - Do they have their taxes withheld and sent to the government by their employers as a requirement? Are their payroll taxes matched by their employers? Do they get retirement (matched) benefits by their employers - who also manages the plan. Do they get unemployment insurance benefits paid for by their employers? Do they get workmans comp insurance paid for by their employers? Do they get health insurance paid for or subsidized by their employer? Why are they in such a "low-pay service-oriented jobs" to begin with? What is their worth in skill level, even in dexterity levels? What are they willing to give, to learn, to master to make more money? |
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