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Is bipartisanship impossible?

posted at October 14, 2012 6:59 AM EDT
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First: October 14, 2012
Last: October 15, 2012

I recall questions a young Democrat family member asked me, a staunch Republican, “Why do the Republicans not want to help the poor? What is the real difference between Democrats and Republicans?” 

It took me a moment to answer, “The Democrats want the Government to take care of the People, and the Republicans want the Government to take care of the Country.” And neither position is wrong or bad. 

On the list of caring for the Country are National Defense, National Economy, National Infrastructure, etc.  On the list of caring for the people are Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, etc.  Everyone lists all these items when they discuss what is needed, but never does any Democrat or Republican prioritize the list because that would alienate some of the voters, which politicians are loath to do. 

It’s been stated that one of the most serious threats to this Country’s security is the debt. Everyone fears the unknown future consequences of the growing National debt, but a more pressing need is to maintain the present status, both the social programs and the National programs. And cutting anything will mean some voters will be out of their jobs, which is the last thing a vote-seeking politician wants to cause. Tax reform is a hopeless cause because all the significant “loopholes” are nearest and dearest, such as mortgage interest deductions. So the politicians have their hands tied and are unable to solve the debt problem. 

A historian will point to the fall of the Roman Empire and the more recent economic debacles in various European countries as examples of the consequences of unleashed social programs and debt growth.  An economist will point to the threatened downgrading of the US credit rating and the risk that the US dollar may lose out to the gold standard as the fearsome consequences.  But the politicians can’t worry about the future when they have to worry about getting re-elected now. 

I frankly don’t see a solution in sight.

Re: Is bipartisanship impossible?

posted at October 15, 2012 1:23 AM EDT
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First: March 2, 2008
Last: May 21, 2013
In Response to Is bipartisanship impossible?:

Unfortunately, it seems that most politicians are bought and sold by corporations and their lobbyists. It doesn't seem possible that individuals giving $25 or $50 could create the millions of $$$ for elections. Then, most politicians pander to various special interest groups. Elections have become media sensations today with popularity and appearance more important than substance. 

As a moderate Democrat, I blame many of our problems on the politicians who voted for NAFTA, tax cuts and the "trickle down" theory that corporate America will create more jobs with more tax cuts and loopholes. The wars have taken a devastating toll on us that we seem to ignore. The loss of good jobs, in addition to the tax cuts that helped those at the top, have sucked money from the economy so that every state is in the red. 

I agree that there are too many social programs existing that create dependency and don't work. Here in Chicago, I've seen millions of $$$ going to communities where the real issues are caused by irresponsible people. 

On the other hand, we have Wall Street which has caused this crisis with irresponsible behaviors. I saw a good film called "Heist" with Bernie Sanders. We've seen hard-working responsible Americans losing their jobs because of cheap labor in foreign countries with no regulations. People were taken advantage of by banks during the real estate bubble who never should have owned a home, but many lost their homes due to job loss. Medical bills now account for many bankruptcies. 

I think the wars have been advantageous for the military industrial complex, but not for our citizens or taxpayers. I've seen a documentary made in 2006 called "Iraq for Sale:The War Profiteers" where privatization has created wealth for contractors. Private businesses run the show where a 6 pack of Coke costs $45 and doing a bag of laundry for a soldier costs $99. Something is wrong here as we were being given tax cuts and told to spend and spend during a decade of wars that were unfunded. 

I don't feel that SS is in that much trouble unless we keep cutting the payroll taxes. Health care is a problem, but fewer people can afford health insurance premiums today. That needs a solution as running health care for a profit simply hasn't worked. When no one can pay, the entire system will collapse. 

The answer, I believe, is that we can no longer afford tax cuts which don't work. Like it or not, we have not paid for tax cuts or for the wars, so we don't have the luxury of low taxes. I do believe that the wealthiest are doing exceptionally well as their profits have soared even under Obama. If people like Romney believe in America, then why has he outsourced jobs and offshored his money? We need leaders who don't bend to ideologies, but who look at what will give the Middle Class and the working poor a chance for a decent lifestyle in this country. 





Re: Is bipartisanship impossible?

posted at October 15, 2012 5:11 AM EDT
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First: October 14, 2012
Last: October 15, 2012
I agree that a country as advanced as the USA should not have a problem providing health care to its citizens. It is unconsionable to let the ill go without care simply because they didn't have enough to pay a doctor or  the insurance company while the care is otherwise so readily available. I categorize National Health care up there along with National Defense and National Infrastructure.

Compared to the really depressed countries in this world, our "poor" are pretty well off. but everyone deserves an opportunity for getting better. That is the proverbial "American Dream", and It is still what America offers everyone. While Jesus fed the 5000, he still preached that it is better to teach a person to fish; I agree with your last sentence too.

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