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2016-Obama Revisited
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2016-Obama Revisited
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I finally had the opportunity to view this excellent documentary. It wasn't easy, since the local movie listings excluded this from their lists. I went to 2016 the movie and found about a dozen
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2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 4, 2012 3:21 PM EDT
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I finally had the opportunity to view this excellent documentary. It wasn't easy, since the local movie listings excluded this from their lists. I went to 2016 the movie and found about a dozen local theatres showing this film. It's a must see for any Patriotic American that values their freedom and loves this country.Basically it shows how during his first year in office obama has done things that are against our interests while favorable to third world interests. He opposed Western friendly governments in Egypt and Libya, while not really doing anything about Iran and Syria. He prevented us from drilling for oil on federal lands, but sent taxpayer money to Mexico, Brazil and Colombia so that they could drill for oil. He's used government welfare programs and stimulus programs to destroy our currency by ballooning our deficit. It shows that while his father only saw him once, his mother perpetuated the dream of who his father was. His maternal grandfather introduced him to Frank Marshall Davis, a communist revolutionary, who influenced him for several years. In Chicago, Weather Underground bomber, Bill Ayers was a close associate of his. Again I urge anyone who hasn;t seen this movie to go out and see it before the election. And....please do not critique this review unless you've actually seen the movie. |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 7, 2012 10:37 AM EDT
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The really scary thing about this is that few realize or care to realize that by 3rd world standards our poor are not really poor. We can look forward to greater taxes being placed not only on the wealthy, but also on the middle class. As one of his mentors said: there's nothing wrong with taxing people at 100% as long as the government doles it out. Basically, each provides services according to their ability and takes out according to their needs. Anyone hazard to guess what such a system is called? |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 7, 2012 1:16 PM EDT
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More Obama hatred based on false propaganda funded by the right wing neo conservative super pacs. The Director and Producer are both extreme right wing conservatives , who hate President Obama. No the really scary thing is people like you actually buy into it. Labrat, Dont let hatred get in the way of the true facts or reality please. Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: The really scary thing about this is that few realize or care to realize that by 3rd world standards our poor are not really poor. We can look forward to greater taxes being placed not only on the wealthy, but also on the middle class. As one of his mentors said: there's nothing wrong with taxing people at 100% as long as the government doles it out. Basically, each provides services according to their ability and takes out according to their needs. Anyone hazard to guess what such a system is called? Posted by Labrat64 |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 8, 2012 6:26 PM EDT
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The really scary thing is that we have a mainstream media that is in the President's pocket, and has never told the American people about his past. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: More Obama hatred based on false propaganda funded by the right wing neo conservative super pacs. The Director and Producer are both extreme right wing conservatives , who hate President Obama. No the really scary thing is people like you actually buy into it. Labrat, Dont let hatred get in the way of the true facts or reality please. Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited : Posted by mandm84 |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 2:23 PM EDT
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No Michael, The real scary thing is that certain people are even gullible enough to listen to or even possibly believe the crap funded by the right wing republican propaganda machine, full of deep rooted hatred and lies attacking the President of the United States. If you or others dont agree with his policies, thats your right, but dont attack with hatred filled lies that have no proper place in a Democracy, where we are all in this together making decisions based on FACTS, NOT PROPAGANDA. The movie 2016 was produced by Gerald Molen, who is a conservative right wing Republican, who also happens to be a fellow Mormon and friend of Romney, so how biased do you think he is ? The Director is Dinesh D'Souza, who also is a right wing conservative Republican, who already wrote a hate filled book attacking President Obama. They both have an open hatred for Obama. The release of the fictional film is just before the election, how convenient. This movie is based on nothing, but hatred and lies and is an insult to every American's intelligence. The President, who also, in my opinion, happens to be a Good Man, Husband and Father doesn't deserve to have these hate filled outright lies spread about him, nor does any President of the United States. What does this say about politics today ? Cant we see things differently without attacking with hateful lies. Isn't there too much hate in this country already ?Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: The really scary thing is that we have a mainstream media that is in the President's pocket, and has never told the American people about his past. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited :
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 3:33 PM EDT
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mandm84, I agree that there is too much hate in this country, and it comes from both the Right and the Left. You say that the producer and director of 2016 have an open hatred of Obama. I would suggest that Michael Moore had an open hatred of Bush when he made "documentaries" such as Fahrenheit 9/11. My concern is not so much with films like 2016 and Fahrenheit 9/11 that are made by the Right and Left, but with the mainstream media that should be objective and unbiased. Mark Halperin of MSNBC recently said, "The media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants," and Jake Tapper of ABC recently stated that he believed the media helped tilt the scales to Obama in 2008. You have said that you are an independent and that you want "FACTS, NOT PROPAGANDA". Well, I want the same thing, but frankly it has become increasingly difficult for me to trust that the mainstream media are not favoring one political agenda over another. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: No Michael, The real scary thing is that certain people are even gullible enough to listen to or even possibly believe the right wing republican funded propaganda, full of deep rooted hatred and lies attacking the President of the United States. If you or others dont agree with his policies, thats your right, but dont attack with hatred filled lies that have no proper place in a Democracy, where we are all in this together making decisions based on FACTS, NOT PROPAGANDA. The movie 2016 was produced by Gerald Molen, who is a conservative right wing Republican, who also happens to be a fellow Mormon and friend of Romney, so how biased can you get ? The Director is Dinesh D'Souza, who also is a right wing conservative Republican, who already wrote a book attacking President Obama. They both have an open hatred for Obama This movie is based on nothing, but hatred and lies and is an insult to every American's intelligence. The President, who also, in my opinion, happens to be a Good Man, Husband and Father doesn't deserve to have these hate filled outright lies spread about him, nor does any President of the United States. What does this say about politics today ? Cant we see things differently without attacking with hateful lies. Isn't there too much hate in this country already ?Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited : Posted by mandm84 |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 3:57 PM EDT
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At the end Clinton Administration there was no National DEBT, no wars were being waged and employment was at an all time high and he was still hated by the Left. When Bush left office all of what Clinton accomplished was erased. He left office with the country in a mess but that's okay with Republicans. Clinton is trying to tell people this but some still won't listen. Why? Because the rich Republicans want to keep from paying taxes, ease federal regulations that protect our citizens from dangerous industrial pratices etc. and the poor Republicans are driven by hate for their fellow citizens which the rich have no trouble fanning the fires of this hatred. I don't see George W. out and campaigning for Romney like Clinton for Obama. That alone should tell you something. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: mandm84, I agree that there is too much hate in this country, and it comes from both the Right and the Left. You say that the producer and director of 2016 have an open hatred of Obama. I would suggest that Michael Mooread an open hatred of Bush when he made "documentaries" such as Fahrenheit 9/11. My concern is not so much with films like 2016 and Fahrenheit 9/11 that are made by the Right and Left, but with the mainstream media that should be objective and unbiased. Mark Halperin of MSNBC recently said, "The media is very susceptible to doing what the Obama campaign wants," and Jake Tapper of ABC recently stated that he believed the media helped tilt the scales to Obama in 2008. You have said that you are an independent and that you want "FACTS, NOT PROPAGANDA". Well, I want the same thing, but frankly it has become increasingly difficult for me to trust that the mainstream media are not favoring one political agenda over another. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited : Posted by MichaelMinIL |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 6:38 PM EDT
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Creppelrm, Glad to see you survived the hurricane. I think the GOP wants to distance itself from the 8 yrs. of President Bush, but what I dont understand is their desire to lower the Tax Rates for the wealthy even lower than President Bush did. It makes no common sense. We tried that for 8 yrs. and President Bush thought it would trickle down and create jobs. We all make mistakes and President Bush is human, but by lowering Taxes and Waging War for the first time in history, it killed our economy. So, you would think raising the Tax Rate back to where it was under Clinton or even Reagan would be the responsible and prudent thing to do, but no Romney and Ryan want to lower it even more. Our economy is still being dragged down by 2 Wars. The fallout of Iraq and the current Afghanistan War. Raising the top Tax Rate to the Clinton or Reagan era wont devastate those at the top, but cutting $200 Billion from Medicare and cutting billions from Medicaid will cripple our already struggling seniors, disabled and poor children. Come on let's be fair and compassionate about our Nation. Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: At the end Clinton Administration there was no National DEBT, no wars were being waged and employment was at an all time high and he was still hated by the Left. When Bush left office all of what Clinton accomplished was erased. He left office with the country in a mess but that's okay with Republicans. Clinton is trying to tell people this but some still won't listen. Why? Because the rich Republicans want to keep from paying taxes, ease federal regulations that protect our citizens from dangerous industrial pratices etc. and the poor Republicans are driven by hate for their fellow citizens which the rich have no trouble fanning the fires of this hatred. I don't see George W. out and campaigning for Romney like Clinton for Obama. That alone should tell you something. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited : Posted by creppelrm |
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 7:13 PM EDT
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First: September 7, 2012 Last: September 25, 2012 |
mandm84, as I noted in the discussion regarding Social Security, something has to be done to reform the entitlement system in America. Simply raising taxes on the wealthy will not solve the problem, and I have not heard how the President intends to deal with that problem should he win a second term. According to the Census Bureau's 2010 report, over the next decade the number of Americans 65 and older will increase from 40 million, or 13% of the population, to 54 million, or 16% of the population. And due to longer Iife expectancy, as well as the large number of aging baby boomers, the percentage of Americans over 65 will continue to rise with time. By 2035, there will be 77 milion Americans over the age of 65, accounting for approximately 20% of the population. This will wreak havoc with the US entitlement system. Historically, US taxes have equated to approximately 18.5% of GDP. The Congressionat Budget Office estimates that by 2050 the combined costs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will exceed this level. ln other words, without massive tax increases (or changes in programs), within 40 years these three programs wiIl consume the revenue of the federal government. ln additlon to the question of unfunded tiabilities, there is the more immediate problem of ever-growing federaI debt. The longer these issues remain unresoived, the more debt will add to an already significant burden. In Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited: Creppelrm, Glad to see you survived the hurricane. I think the GOP wants to distance itself from the 8 yrs. of President Bush, but what I dont understand is their desire to lower the Tax Rates for the wealthy even lower than President Bush did. It makes no common sense. We tried that for 8 yrs. and President Bush thought it would trickle down and create jobs. We all make mistakes and President Bush is human, but by lowering Taxes and Waging War for the first time in history, it killed our economy. So, you would think raising the Tax Rate back to where it was under Clinton or even Reagan would be the responsible and prudent thing to do, but no Romney and Ryan want to lower it even more. Our economy is still being dragged down by 2 Wars. The fallout of Iraq and the current Afghanistan War. Raising the top Tax Rate to the Clinton or Reagan era wont devastate those at the top, but cutting $200 Billion from Medicare and cutting billions from Medicaid will cripple our already struggling seniors, disabled and poor children. Come on let's be fair and compassionate about our Nation. Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited :
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Re: 2016-Obama Revisited
posted at September 10, 2012 9:19 PM EDT
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Thanks Mandm84 It's bad during the storms but just as bad after the storms. But I consider myself lucky that I didn't lose too much like some of my neighbors have. Even some Republicans see the necessity to raise taxes on the rich. Only the Tea Party radicals are blinded by hate not seeing reality and refuse to look back at what worked in the past as during the Clinton administration. I've heard "IF WE DON'T LEARN FROM HISTORY WE ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT". Republican strategy is doomed to repeat mistakes of the past. HISGcommon sense. We tried that for 8 yrs. and President Bush thought it would trickle down and create jobs. We all make mistakes and President Bush is human, but by lowering Taxes and Waging War for the first time in history, it killed our economy. So, you would think raising the Tax Rate back to where it was under Clinton or even Reagan would be the responsible and prudent thing to do, but no Romney and Ryan want to lower it even more. Our economy is still being dragged down by 2 Wars. The fallout of Iraq and the current Afghanistan War. Raising the top Tax Rate to the Clinton or Reagan era wont devastate those at the top, but cutting $200 Billion from Medicare and cutting billions from Medicaid will cripple our already struggling seniors, disabled and poor children. Come on let's be fair and compassionate about our Nation. Response to Re: 2016-Obama Revisited : Posted by mandm84[/QUOTE] |
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