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2012 The Year of Change for Medicare
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The 2012 Medicare debate is all about the baby boomers - doesn't matter which party has their way with it or some combined effort - it will begin to change. From the New Years Day newswire - Atlanta
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Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 5, 2012 8:35 PM EST
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Thank You!




n Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare:
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare : I am   so  glad  to see such an optimist in these message boards.  Social Security and Medicare have always been on the Republican Agenda since those programs were instituted. They have always tried to dismantle those programs for years.  Not sustainable? there are many that don't think so. Specially Social Security, program that has been raided by our politicians for years. we all know that, and it is a fact. Medicare could stand some variables, but, the way we have been going and the way that our Esteemed Congress has acted in this Administration. nothing will be done. And if we seniors especially us seniors don't really become active and make sure that our Congressmen know, what would happen to them if they dare touch any of those programs. Perhaps we can  save those programs.  I am sure that by now, you are saying Oh, this is a liberal Democrat speaking. Guess what. I am a Republican of 40 years, that is becoming quite angry at the way that this Congress has behaved. and that will become very active if they try to do anything to these programs.
Posted by rker321

Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 9, 2012 1:18 PM EST
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In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare:
Most Democrats and the President oppose the Bi-Partisan Plan just like I and the rest of AARP members should.   Once you let the lawmakers start privatizing the program, it will be the beginning of the end of Medicare. n Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare :
Posted by creppelrm


I'm really fedup with the idea we have to PRIVATIZE everything like "for profit" defines who we are as Americans  today.      The insurers are making obsene profits off of auto--homeowners--business etc  etc  insurance so WHY is it necessary that they make a profit off of our healthcare....which means life or death.    

The question is not whether the insurance company profits are to high but how inefficient the industry is compared to other developed countries .     Administrative costs in the US consume 31% of the total healthcare spending. In Europe the number is about 11% and in Taiwan it is 2%.     In other developed countries health insurance is provided by either a government run single payer system or a psuedo-single payer system (private insurance companies whose must provide the standard basic policy specified by the government).


One fact some of the posts seem to ignore is that the large salaries and bonuses for executives are extracted from revenue before profits are reported. So the big difference between the US and other developed countries is inefficient administration and the large compensation packages the US executives receive compared to those given to the executives of European providers

Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 10, 2012 2:56 PM EST
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Last: May 31, 2013
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In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare :  other developed countries is inefficient ad
Posted by JANMB

We are a free market economy - that includes most doctors, other health care providers, some hospitals -and of course, insurance companies of all types.

Which country do you want to emulate?  Canada, Great Brittan. Germany, Japan, Cuba?

Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 10, 2012 4:24 PM EST
Posts: 543
First: August 9, 2011
Last: June 18, 2013
Try Voting.    But not for Republicans.





n Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare:
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare : Reagan changed Social Security in 1983 to make it sustainable for all of us who are getting it today.  The Social Security & Medicare Trustee Report came out in 2011 - Sure Social Security is not going to run out of money tomorrow but just as Reagan had to firm it up in the 1980's, we have to begin doing something soon to make it viable for those who will begin to draw it in 2030, 2040, 2050. I'm not even gonna go to the National Debt and all the Treasuries that the SS system owns in US debt - cause I surely hope that our finances will get straightened out but if they don't there is a lot of stuff we can kiss goodbye (Think Greece). Medicare & Medicaid has problems now and are only gonna get worse with the number of baby boomers coming on line.  I keep up - I read, I study - federal changes as well as state changes. Here is the 2011 Trustee (Summary) Report from the Social Security Administration website.
Posted by GailL1

Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 11, 2012 8:22 AM EST
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First: February 29, 2008
Last: June 16, 2013
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare:
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare : Reagan changed Social Security in 1983 to make it sustainable for all of us who are getting it today.  The Social Security & Medicare Trustee Report came out in 2011 - Sure Social Security is not going to run out of money tomorrow but just as Reagan had to firm it up in the 1980's, we have to begin doing something soon to make it viable for those who will begin to draw it in 2030, 2040, 2050. I'm not even gonna go to the National Debt and all the Treasuries that the SS system owns in US debt - cause I surely hope that our finances will get straightened out but if they don't there is a lot of stuff we can kiss goodbye (Think Greece). Medicare & Medicaid has problems now and are only gonna get worse with the number of baby boomers coming on line.  I keep up - I read, I study - federal changes as well as state changes. Here is the 2011 Trustee (Summary) Report from the Social Security Administration website.
Posted by GailL1


 That's the BIGGEST LIE OF THIS CENTURY SO FAR......  The truth is that, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Social Security is fully funded until 2052, at which point, assuming no increase in productivity growth rates or dramatic demographic shifts, benefits would need to be reduced by a whopping… 20%.     We would have to have a recession for the coming decades to reach a SS crisis for the 20% reduction.... or republicans would have to stop the FICA contributions entirely which they would LOVE to do.      

Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare

posted at January 11, 2012 9:29 AM EST
Posts: 1924
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 31, 2013
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare:
In Response to Re: 2012 The Year of Change for Medicare :  That's the BIGGEST LIE OF THIS CENTURY SO FAR......  The truth is that, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office , Social Security is fully funded until 2052, at which point, assuming no increase in productivity growth rates or dramatic demographic shifts, benefits would need to be reduced by a whopping… 20%.     We would have to have a recession for the coming decades to reach a SS crisis for the 20% reduction.... or republicans would have to stop the FICA contributions entirely which they would LOVE to do.      
Posted by JANMB


I think you better  -  and stop calling me a liar - this information is taken from the reliable source of the Social Security Administration.

Here is the 2011 A SUMMARY OF THE 2011 ANNUAL REPORTS  from the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees - You can read the whole thing if you want, I'm just posting the summary.  This is on the Social Security Administrations website. 
You need to keep up with this "Actuarial Data" from the Social Security Administration especially when our government takes liberties with the income flow and we have tons of baby boomers and many other early retirees due to economic conditions coming onboard. 

I am only posting the data for Social Security - they also cover Medicare, if anyone wants to read it.

"A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC:

Each year the Trustees of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds report on the current and projected financial status of the two programs. This message summarizes our 2011 Annual Reports.. . . .

.. . . Social Security expenditures exceeded the program’s non-interest income in 2010 for the first time since 1983. The $49 billion deficit last year (excluding interest income) and $46 billion projected deficit in 2011 are in large part due to the weakened economy and to downward income adjustments that correct for excess payroll tax revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years. This deficit is expected to shrink to about $20 billion for years 2012-2014 as the economy strengthens. After 2014, cash deficits are expected to grow rapidly as the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Through 2022, the annual cash deficits will be made up by redeeming trust fund assets from the General Fund of the Treasury. Because these redemptions will be less than interest earnings, trust fund balances will continue to grow. After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay only about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through 2085.

Under current projections, the annual cost of Social Security benefits expressed as a share of workers’ taxable wages will grow rapidly from 11-1/2 percent in 2007, the last pre-recession year, to roughly 17 percent in 2035, and will then dip slightly before commencing a slow upward march after 2050. Costs display a slightly different pattern when expressed as a share of GDP. Program costs equaled roughly 4.2 percent of GDP in 2007, and are projected to increase gradually to 6.2 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 6.0 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level.

The projected 75-year actuarial deficit for the combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds is 2.22 percent of taxable payroll, up from 1.92 percent projected in last year’s report. This deficit amounts to 17 percent of tax receipts, and 14 percent of program outlays.

The 0.30 percentage point increase in the OASDI actuarial deficit and the one-year advance in the exhaustion date for the combined trust funds primarily reflects lower estimates for death rates at advanced ages, a slower economic recovery than was assumed last year, and the one-year advance of the valuation period from 2010-2084 to 2011-2085.

While the combined OASDI program continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance, it does satisfy the conditions for short-range financial adequacy. Combined trust fund assets are projected to exceed one year’s projected benefit payments for more than ten years, through to 2035. However, the Disability Insurance (DI) program satisfies neither the long-range nor short-range tests for financial adequacy. DI costs have exceeded non-interest income since 2005 and trust fund exhaustion is projected for 2018; thus changes to improve the financial status of the DI program are needed soon."



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