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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 7, 2012 4:51 PM EDT
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Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011 Last: May 3, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : You are correct that our hospital systems are building extremely expensive facilities, and the price goes up as these buildings do. I am not sure that we can trust the government today to control costs while maintaining a good health care system. I do think, however, that the VA system is a good example of a working system, where care is affordable, and distributed fairly. Can't we use this system to build a better one? Only the wealthy with great insurance are able to afford this one. And, those benefits are quickly disappearing. Posted by louisie They do not have any money to support this program other than what they are trying to steal from medicare which they have no right. Claims are being made that medicare does not have sufficient funds though people have been paying into this for years. The public hospitals are usually listed as non profit which is something that should be reviewed considering the way they are handled. |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 7, 2012 5:11 PM EDT
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Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011 Last: May 3, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Now they are trying to control HEALTH CARE COST in Mass - same way, ACO. I think the time to experiment with new Medicare health care delivery and payment systems is BEFORE the law was passed. Posted by GailL1 I think that might have been a typo since it is a massive bankrupting,unconstitutional, and immoral act that they have passed which steals from Medicare and will drive our country to worse economic problems than we have now. Medicare was funded, Obamacare was not. Medicare has financial problems, Obamacare is an absurdity. |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 8, 2012 9:35 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Do you think we should have the GSA oversee the expenditures of medical funds so they can control costs for us. We have a Congress that cannot pass a budget, a president who cannot admistrate his executive responsibilities, and a Supreme Court that wants to legislate rather than adjudicate. The government collected Social Security for years from me and now they suggest it may be undefunded in part because of mishandling and during the time of crisis a President advocates a tax cut by decreasing social securty taxe. Regarding Medicare the president plans on stealing 1/2 trillion dollars to support a bankrupt medical program which will colla[se the economy. Someone told me he will get the money by correcting abuses, but that is still medicare money not a bank at his disposal. His medical program should be found to be unconstitutional on individua, religious and states rights issues. Now tell me truthfully, were you joking? Posted by JimR45[/QUOTE] Where do I begin? Congress can't pass a budget Congress says no to penalizing companies for taking jobs overseas & rewarding the ones who stay. (sept 2010) No to equal pays No to students No to high speed rail No to end to oil subsidies ( even if we can't afford it. ) No to extending unemployment benefits for millions out of work No to reversing Bush tax cuts for the 2%. The Obama-democrats never had the 2/3 of senate 60 votes and the republicans used the fillibuster and silent holds for not getting things done.
Some shocking Obamacare facts Everyone in 2014 will be stunned once Obamacare kicks into full gear. Pass this around for the 2012 election. . Medicare's trust fund will be extended 12 years. Seniors have free preventive care and check ups. Lots of money have been saved through waste trimming and fraud recollecting. While telling their diehards they're repealing Obamacare in full, the republicans are misleading the public and telling them they can keep the provisions that protect them from insurance company abuses. Many of the Obamacare provisions the Republicans say they'd like to keep are ones that are already in effect.
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 8, 2012 3:10 PM EDT
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Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011 Last: May 3, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Do you think we should have the GSA oversee the expenditures of medical funds so they can control costs for us. We have a Congress that cannot pass a budget, a president who cannot admistrate his executive responsibilities, and a Supreme Court that wants to legislate rather than adjudicate. The government collected Social Security for years from me and now they suggest it may be undefunded in part because of mishandling and during the time of crisis a President advocates a tax cut by decreasing social securty taxe. Regarding Medicare the president plans on stealing 1/2 trillion dollars to support a bankrupt medical program which will colla[se the economy. Someone told me he will get the money by correcting abuses, but that is still medicare money not a bank at his disposal. His medical program should be found to be unconstitutional on individua, religious and states rights issues. Now tell me truthfully, were you joking? Posted by JimR45[/QUOTE ] Where do I begin? Congress can't pass a budget Congress says no to penalizing companies for taking jobs overseas & rewarding the ones who stay. (sept 2010) No to equal pays No to students No to high speed rail No to end to oil subsidies ( even if we can't afford it. ) No to extending unemployment benefits for millions out of work No to reversing Bush tax cuts for the 2%. The Obama-democrats never had the 2/3 of senate 60 votes and the republicans used the fillibuster and silent holds for not getting things done. Soc Security receipients are living longer. The truth is that, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office , Social Security is fully funded until 2030, and the dates change according to the economy & participation..at which point, we have to assume this country will have no increase in productivity to really be in big trouble but I have more confidence in our country to excell beyond what we are enduring today. S ome shocking Obamacare facts Everyone in 2014 will be stunned once Obamacare kicks into full gear. Pass this around for the 2012 election. . Medicare's trust fund will be extended 12 years. Seniors have free preventive care and check ups. Lots of money have been saved through waste trimming and fraud recollecting. While telling their diehards they're repealing Obamacare in full, the republicans are misleading the public and telling them they can keep the provisions that protect them from insurance company abuses. Many of the Obamacare provisions the Republicans say they'd like to keep are ones that are already in effect. Posted by JANMB Well I guess I would have said shocked, since Obamacare is taking us to bankrupcy. When you work with programs by increasing the national debt matters will get worse not better. Yes the data shows SS is fully funded now and for sometime, however there is a not too distant problem with Medicare and any medicare money saved by stopping abuses should be put back into medicare since that is what we paid for over our lives, not a program where HHS is going to tell us what we must do ignoring first amendment rights or the financial responsibilities of the states. Truman says the buck stops here, but Obama says pass the buck. Bills will be owed by the states and future generations to pay for an unfunded program. In his first two years Obama had both houses and he still did not do his job, but he does a good job about passing the buck and blaming others for our current problems. |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 10, 2012 1:18 AM EDT
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First: May 28, 2012 Last: May 15, 2013 |
So many people are blind to what the Republican Congress is doing to kill any progress. The Republicans wont even sit down at the table to discuss issues unless you are willing to totally agree with their far right wing agenda. What kind of Democracy is this ? I was a Republican most of my life , but I had enough of the greed ! n Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Do you think we should have the GSA oversee the expenditures of medical funds so they can control costs for us. We have a Congress that cannot pass a budget, a president who cannot admistrate his executive responsibilities, and a Supreme Court that wants to legislate rather than adjudicate. The government collected Social Security for years from me and now they suggest it may be undefunded in part because of mishandling and during the time of crisis a President advocates a tax cut by decreasing social securty taxe. Regarding Medicare the president plans on stealing 1/2 trillion dollars to support a bankrupt medical program which will colla[se the economy. Someone told me he will get the money by correcting abuses, but that is still medicare money not a bank at his disposal. His medical program should be found to be unconstitutional on individua, religious and states rights issues. Now tell me truthfully, were you joking? Posted by JimR45[/QUOTE ] Where do I begin? Congress can't pass a budget Congress says no to penalizing companies for taking jobs overseas & rewarding the ones who stay. (sept 2010) No to equal pays No to students No to high speed rail No to end to oil subsidies ( even if we can't afford it. ) No to extending unemployment benefits for millions out of work No to reversing Bush tax cuts for the 2%. The Obama-democrats never had the 2/3 of senate 60 votes and the republicans used the fillibuster and silent holds for not getting things done. Soc Security receipients are living longer. The truth is that, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office , Social Security is fully funded until 2030, and the dates change according to the economy & participation..at which point, we have to assume this country will have no increase in productivity to really be in big trouble but I have more confidence in our country to excell beyond what we are enduring today. S ome shocking Obamacare facts Everyone in 2014 will be stunned once Obamacare kicks into full gear. Pass this around for the 2012 election. . Medicare's trust fund will be extended 12 years. Seniors have free preventive care and check ups. Lots of money have been saved through waste trimming and fraud recollecting. While telling their diehards they're repealing Obamacare in full, the republicans are misleading the public and telling them they can keep the provisions that protect them from insurance company abuses. Many of the Obamacare provisions the Republicans say they'd like to keep are ones that are already in effect.
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at June 10, 2012 2:02 PM EDT
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Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011 Last: May 3, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Well I guess I would have said shocked, since Obamacare is taking us to bankrupcy. When you work with programs by increasing the national debt matters will get worse not better. Yes the data shows SS is fully funded now and for sometime, however there is a not too distant problem with Medicare and any medicare money saved by stopping abuses should be put back into medicare since that is what we paid for over our lives, not a program where HHS is going to tell us what we must do ignoring first amendment rights or the financial responsibilities of the states. Truman says the buck stops here, but Obama says pass the buck. Bills will be owed by the states and future generations to pay for an unfunded program. In his first two years Obama had both houses and he still did not do his job, but he does a good job about passing the buck and blaming others for our current problems. Posted by JimR45 Interesting since I was a democrat for a long time but they have become the abortioncrat party and have taken immoral stances on other issues. They claim the republicans declared a war on women when republicans and others rejected the HHS mandate since it ignores the first amendment. However when it came to a bill to prohibit gendercide whereby if it is determined a child is a female the child can be aborted, somehow they do not see that as a war on the female gender. This is not the party my deceased parents supported, but they are morally bankrupt. Though I do not agree with some of the republican proposals at least it is nothing which is all the democrats propose. I may politically disagree with some of the republican parties proposals but I am morally repulsed by many of the positions the democrats have taken. This is the danger when you have a morally reprehensible president who cannot lead but only tries to separate and conquer. Tell me how the following is not racist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/obama-campaign-unveils-la_n_1245395.html |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at July 1, 2012 3:14 AM EDT
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First: May 28, 2012 Last: May 15, 2013 |
Hatred distorts a man's vision. Go ahead and vote for Romney, but you best be in the top 1% because Romney will let the Republican Right Wing madness continue and inflict pain on the rest of us. Romney already agreed with the outrageous Ryan Republican budget for 2013, which makes massive cuts to the disabled, seniors, low and middle class including over $ 200 billion in cuts from the disabled and seniors healthcare. Ryan;s budget also cuts taxes for the wealthiest even more than Bush did. The Bush tax cuts were already the lowest in history, but no lets lower it even more on the struggling backs of our seniors and disabled. 10 years and counting with the biggest tax breaks in history for the wealthy, but no thats not enough. Even Ronald Reagan raised taxes on the wealthy 4 times, becuase it was the FAIR thing to do.. A Democracy is about having social and political equality. President Reagan had compassion for ALL Americans. Ronald Reagan would be sick to his stomach over this Republican party or should I say this Plutocratic party. n Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accounble Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : Interesting since I was a democrat for a long time but they have become the abortioncrat party and have taken immoral stances on other issues. They claim the republicans declared a war on women when republicans and others rejected the HHS mandate since it ignores the first amendment. However when it came to a bill to prohibit gendercide whereby if it is determined a child is a female the child can be aborted, somehow they do not see that as a war on the female gender. This is not the party my deceased parents supported, but they are morally bankrupt. Though I do not agree with some of the republican proposals at least it is nothing which is all the democrats propose. I may politically disagree with some of the republican parties proposals but I am morally repulsed by many of the positions the democrats have taken. This is the danger when you have a morally reprehensible president who cannot lead but only tries to separate and conquer. Tell me how the following is not racist. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/obama-campaign-unveils-la_n_1245395.html
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at July 1, 2012 3:37 PM EDT
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First: February 12, 2012 Last: April 26, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : What do you like about the VA system? Posted by GailL1 I like the VA system because they really do a good job of monitoring my diabetes, helping to keep me informed of everything, and they even give me phone calls to remind me of appointments. They also send my medications through the mail, which means I do not have to waste gas to go to the drug store. They have a computer system that checks the tests I need, and the doctor schedules them for me each year. I did not have VA healthcare until they lowered the amount of income you could have for eligibility. Before that I was paying $450. per month for State health program, and it was just not affordable for me. The VA care I have is NOT free, and I pay for each visit, and I pay interest @ 13% on any outstanding bills. They now have an 8- teired cost system, where disabled veterans get free care, of course, and those with other eligibilities have higher payments, from 1-8 tiers, with 8 being the highest. I am on the 8'th , highest paying tier, but, still find it excellent care and very affordable. Anytime I need services, they are on time , with little waiting, and five excellent service, always considering my time, my health , and my ability to pay. If the entire country had a system like this, we could all be covered, hospitals would not be for profit institutions, and our health care would be much better. As it is now, we have far too many wealtny people, doctors, pharmacists, hospital adminsitrators, drug companies, etc, all using the system to become more wealthy while more of us get less care. |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at July 1, 2012 3:53 PM EDT
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First: February 12, 2012 Last: April 26, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations: In Response to Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations : They do not have any money to support this program other than what they are trying to steal from medicare which they have no right. Claims are being made that medicare does not have sufficient funds though people have been paying into this for years. The public hospitals are usually listed as non profit which is something that should be reviewed considering the way they are handled. Posted by JimR45 If hospitals were all non-profit, and doctors had the wages of other countries' doctors, and pharmaceutical companies were non-profit, we could have a reasonable , affordable system. Americans have to go overseas to afford operations? And, Americans on social security have to choose between medications and food? And, most importantly, American companies no longer want to provide health coverage, or most other benefits. They don't want to government telling them they must, but, if they do not provide it, that will be the result, whether it is through paying higher salaries, so their employees can aford health care, or through providing benefits directly. I am curioous, how much profit have the health care institutions lost while so many are uninsured? Does anyone know? |
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Re: Medicare Health Care Reform - Accountable Care Organizations
posted at July 1, 2012 6:38 PM EDT
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There are provisions (Sections 9009 and 9010) of this law that add fees to medical devices and health insurance premiums. These, and the nature of the law itself, increase the cost of health care and hrealth insurance. |
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