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In the last issue of AARP Bulletin a person stated that there are no death panels but also went on to say that there would be a panel made up of doctors, insurers, "health experts", etc. What do
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Death Panels
posted at September 8, 2011 3:21 PM EDT
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In the last issue of AARP Bulletin a person stated that there are no death panels but also went on to say that there would be a panel made up of doctors, insurers, "health experts", etc. What does this person think that a death panel is. This panel will be making "recommendations" about our health care that will carry a lot of weight with Medicare or the new "Health Care Bill". This is a death panel as described by the person who said that it was not a death panel. This panel WILL rule whether or not you get the proper medication and how long you get to live passed on these health care decisions. A Death Panel plain and simple. God Help Us! And to AARP I think that it was a disgrace that you sold millions of seniors down the river buy supporting this terrible health care bill. Shame on You!
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Re: Death Panels
posted at September 9, 2011 5:15 AM EDT
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First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
Nearly all 160 state legislators are enrolled in a program that costs just $8.34 a month for individual coverage and $30 a month for family coverage. Florida has one of the highest uninsured rates in the nation according to data released last year by the U. S. Census but it is one of more than 20 states suing to have the health care overhaul decared unconstitutional. I don't know WHO the public who reportedly....is getting the info wrong....who are they listening to. ? Health reform is better than NO REFORM at all...and will make health care more affordable, will hold insurers more accountable, insurers cannot deny insurance for existing conditions any longer, it expands coverage to all Americans and makes our health system more sustainable OF COURSE it isn't as good as Universal Healthcare that other countries have only because the COMMITTEE headed by Baucas didn't allow any of the Doctors & Nurses who wanted to attend the meetings....just the insurers. And the public seems to want to pay 30% of their premiums going for insurance company profits & CEO million dollar salaries. Dental is in crisis...its too expensive for most people. In developed countries, citizens have no worries about dental or healthcare and no wonder people are going bankrupt here in the USA if they are unfortunate enough to get really sick. |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at September 9, 2011 5:30 AM EDT
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The USA isn't like Austria, Austrailia, France, Netherlands with generous social benefits and a stimulating economy. The only country the USA is like....is China where we work and stress people out to their death's door . But while China is getting universal healthcare .... There is a pattern to it all....its no accident. . In order for the ELITE to live at the standard it does, the majority have to go without. There is a segment of the American public who seems to accept this as unavoidable and proper. DC's solution is to give everyone less and making seniors work longer and republicans want to put everyone on welfare, means testing, and seniors begging for help who can't stand in line for free-food. But then seniors and people under duress will die sooner and that will make republicans pleased as they can lower the tax rates on the wealthiest even more. . . |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at September 12, 2011 6:27 PM EDT
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I don't know how anyone can have a positive opinion about this health care bill when NO ONE even knows whats in it. Congress even voted for it not knowing what it is. Nancy Pelosi's famous quote "let's get it passed than we'll figure it out". I don't disagree with everthing said here but I do know that the enemy does not go by a political party name. There are at least as many bad democrats as there are bad republicans. And the democrats in Congress have just as many, if not more, multi millionaires in their party. Comparing the US to China is a huge stretch. Many opinions stated seem extreme and angry without being based in fact. But be sure that there is a "death panel" and Obama put it in place and AARP supports it!.
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Re: Death Panels
posted at October 21, 2011 9:13 AM EDT
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In Response to Re: Death Panels: I don't know how anyone can have a positive opinion about this health care bill when NO ONE even knows whats in it. Congress even voted for it not knowing what it is. Nancy Pelosi's famous quote "let's get it passed than we'll figure it out". I don't disagree with everthing said here but I do know that the enemy does not go by a political party name. There are at least as many bad democrats as there are bad republicans. And the democrats in Congress have just as many, if not more, multi millionaires in their party. Comparing the US to China is a huge stretch. Many opinions stated seem extreme and angry without being based in fact. But be sure that there is a "death panel" and Obama put it in place and AARP supports it!. Posted by pdaleb YES we should be LOOKING at other countries when the USA rank 37th in healthcare. you think ? The DEATH PANELS were the LIVING WILLS that are passed out more frequently today and my goodness it's not a new thing.....I signed one decades ago. Who wants their loved ones to be saddled with such a decision that should be your's alone. If you don't KNOW what the changes will be even AARP outlined them a while ago. But let's talk about what's really at stake for America. The Senate health reform bill will:
-- Ensure that you can choose your own doctor. -- Finally stop insurance companies from denying coverage due to a pre-existing condition. -- Make sure you will never be charged exorbitant premiums on the basis of your age, health, or gender. -- Guarantee you will never lose your coverage just because you get sick or injured. -- Protect you from outrageous out-of-pocket expenditures by establishing lifetime and annual limits. -- Allow young people to stay on their parents' coverage until they're 26 years old. -- Create health insurance exchanges, or "one-stop shops" for individuals purchasing insurance, where insurance companies are forced to compete for new customers. -- Lower premiums for families, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office -- especially for struggling folks who will receive subsidies. -- Help small businesses provide health care coverage to their employees with tax credits and by allowing them to purchase coverage through the exchanges. -- Improve and strengthen Medicare by eliminating waste and fraud (without cutting basic benefits), beginning to close the Medicare Part D donut hole, and extending the life of the Medicare trust fund. -- Create jobs by reining in costs -- fostering competition, reducing waste and inefficiency, and starting to reward doctors and hospitals for quality, not quantity, of care. -- Cut the deficit by over $130 billion in the next 10 years. Insurance companies earn enormous returns for their chairmen and shareholders, becoming successful by insuring only healthy people while rescinding coverage once a person becomes ill. As more and more people have become uninsured or discovered that they don't have enough insurance to cover their medical expenses and go bankrupt, insurers have grown richer. |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at November 2, 2011 10:11 PM EDT
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First: January 8, 2011 Last: November 2, 2011 |
Every private insurance company has had people that screen claims and decide who gets coverage and who doesn't. That appears to me to be no different. I am 77 and I have medicare; I've suffered an amputation, anurism surgery, and I have stage 4 cancer. Not once have I had a claim rejected. Medicare does in fact have a system of screening to protect the system from the flagrant fraud that exists throughout the insurance system. (not just medicare) The new health care act is badly flawed because of the cutting and hacking environment in congress. We are one of the few developed nations in the world that let millions of people go without basic health services. I give Obama high marks for trying. |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at December 8, 2011 8:44 PM EST
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Death Panels: In the last issue of AARP Bulletin a person stated that there are no death panels but also went on to say that there would be a panel made up of doctors, insurers, "health experts", etc. What does this person think that a death panel is. This panel will be making "recommendations" about our health care that will carry a lot of weight with Medicare or the new "Health Care Bill". This is a death panel as described by the person who said that it was not a death panel. This panel WILL rule whether or not you get the proper medication and how long you get to live passed on these health care decisions. A Death Panel plain and simple. God Help Us! And to AARP I think that it was a disgrace that you sold millions of seniors down the river buy supporting this terrible health care bill. Shame on You! Posted by pdaleb The italics portion comes from Kaiser Health News dated May 2011: "The IPAB: How Could It Change Medicare? " Here is the link to the whole article. http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2011/May/09/ipab-faq.aspx My comments are NOT in italics This tells you a bit about the Independent Payment Advisory Board as outlined in the ACA (Obamacare) "The Independent Payment Advisory Board beginning in 2015, will make binding recommendations to reduce spending, if Medicare is projected to grow too quickly. Those recommendations will be sent to Capitol Hill at the beginning of the year, and if Congress doesn't like them, it must pass alternative cuts -- of the same size -- by August. A supermajority of the Senate can also vote to amend the IPAB recommendations. If Congress fails to act, the secretary of health and human services is required to implement the cuts by defaul "It will have 15 full-time members, and only a minority of them can be health care providers. . . . Members will serve six-year terms, are to be paid the salary of senior executives in the federal government -- $165,300 this year -- and cannot hold any other jobs. " "Doctors and drug companies are particularly worried that they'll bear a lot of the burden because hospitals and nursing homes aren't subject to IPAB's cost-cutting recommendations until fiscal 2020. Since they start in 2015, I bet the 1st thing they do is recommend cutting the doctor pay - There is your DEATH PANEL right there - NO physician wanting to be a Primary Care Physician for Medicare patients because they don't get paid for their time, energy, staff, equipment, malpractice ins., etc., etc. Then in 2020, WOW - they can start cutting in hospitals and nursing homes. "the law bars it from rationing care, restricting benefits or changing eligibility criteria. And, in response to complaints from the health care industry, Sen. John Rockefeller, D-W.Va., who was one of IPAB's architects, said that the board was specifically designed to reduce the influence of "special interests" on Medicare payment policy. Those interests, he and others say, have kept Congress from making the tough decisions needed to hold down spending and reduce the deficit. So pure and simple, the IPAB can make recommendation on how money is spent and how much is spent - They will recommend ways to reduce spending. WHO is the end recipient - The Medicare Patient and their care. In April 2011, President Barack Obama called for increasing the panel's authority, saying it was critical to controlling the costs of Medicare. Seems to me, we only have a few choices to cut spending in Medicare or any other health care (not insurance) - cut services, require the recipient to pay more ( more skin in the game is being considered NOW), or dictate what is paid for services. Of course getting rid of that old standby - waste, fraud and abuse - is a given. This board is just another "pass the buck" method to keep our Legislature and President from making the very hard choices that are ahead because of politics, money,public opinion. |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at December 17, 2011 11:07 AM EST
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First: February 29, 2008 Last: May 17, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Death Panels: Every private insurance company has had people that screen claims and decide who gets coverage and who doesn't. That appears to me to be no different. I am 77 and I have medicare; I've suffered an amputation, anurism surgery, and I have stage 4 cancer. Not once have I had a claim rejected. Medicare does in fact have a system of screening to protect the system from the flagrant fraud that exists throughout the insurance system. (not just medicare) The new health care act is badly flawed because of the cutting and hacking environment in congress. We are one of the few developed nations in the world that let millions of people go without basic health services. I give Obama high marks for trying. Posted by tawebb1934 ABSOLUTELY TAWEBB1934....... .. I have been on medicare for 7 years and never been denied ANYTHING. I was in the hospital 3 times and even had an angioplasty. My last visit the nurse was from TORONTO and kept her Canadian nursing license and wants to go back. She says the USA healthcare itself is good......it's the SYSTEM for those under 65 that is rotten. YET the republicans want to get rid of the little bit of helpful change just because it was the democrats who pushed for it. I'm tired of this country being so backward when it seems to be only ONE PARTY sending us back there. They even want to send us backWARD to the TIME when there were ONLY privatized healthcare and retirements 99% of the people suffered. This is a CRAZY TIME. |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at December 17, 2011 7:25 PM EST
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First: November 27, 2011 Last: May 18, 2013 |
In Response to Re: Death Panels: In Response to Re: Death Panels : ABSOLUTELY TAWEBB1934....... .. I have been on medicare for 7 years and never been denied ANYTHING. I was in the hospital 3 times and even had an angioplasty. My last visit the nurse was from TORONTO and kept her Canadian nursing license and wants to go back. She says the USA healthcare itself is good......it's the SYSTEM for those under 65 that is rotten. YET the republicans want to get rid of the little bit of helpful change just because it was the democrats who pushed for it. I'm tired of this country being so backward when it seems to be only ONE PARTY sending us back there. They even want to send us backWARD to the TIME when there were ONLY privatized healthcare and retirements 99% of the people suffered. This is a CRAZY TIME. Posted by JANMB There are millions of people that have no problem with their private health insurance - I've never had a problem but I also understood the contract, the policy, the network and the benefit of staying insured since I am self-employed. I also wonder why so many Seniors are picking Medicare Advantage plans rather than Traditional Medicare? Could it be that they want the extras like dental and vision offered by some plans? OR could it be that many are finding that if they live in a small community, there are no doctors that accept medicare assignment but will take an Advantage Program? OR maybe they are finding the Medicare Advantage plans cheaper for their total needs - doctors, hospital, medicine, etc. without having to go the traditional route and having Medicare, Medicare Supplemental and a Medicare Prescription Drug Insurance. So many of you could give me your incite here - why are picking a Medicare Advantage Plan ran by private insurance companies rather than Traditional Medicare? |
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Re: Death Panels
posted at December 19, 2011 4:25 PM EST
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I am new to medicare. I am on Disability and can not work due to these surgies- back,neck,hip replacement,knees and now legs promblems. 2009 I got my first check after a 5 month waiting period and no other inceom. I recieved my checks and in the year 2011 I had to start and pay 115.00 amonth due to the Heath care reform. I do not understand why we have to pay this monthly rate. I worked 30 years and pay my part to SS#. Then this health form passed and then we all had to payed. The ones that do not have health care the rates are too high that people can not affored it. They have to see which is important and I do not thik our jails will hold people who does not buy insurance. Hec look at the news it is the rich who gets away without paying. Our govt. even have better health care then we do. I know that this person who retire from postal service-they do not use medicare as part of their health care. They got a special fund. I wish I had that kind. I do not undersand paying all these years and still have to pay. Thins is going up and my money I get from SS gets smaller. I have to give up some meds to even make it. I was told by the SS worker That because I work over all these years since I was 12 that I make 50$ too much to recive help. I even know this person who lives in a three bedroom apt. and her church gives her a car and since she does not work her stuff is free and she better off then I am. She goes and tried to get certain jobs from the senior citizen and she gets pay in cash so they do not get in troble. If she is doing it I sure people are. I saw on Jude Joe Brown court show where this woman was suing her brother some money for this shool because he got laid off his job. He told the judge and his sister said since they get unployement he dose not want to work. And all these people who is not legal should be sent back our do what you should do to become legal. They should not get ss because they did not pain in. Look at all the people who is on welfare-we should get hold of this and make people get out and work even if it is a job just paying min.wage. The doctors are even getting were they are not accepting medicare patients. It seems that they want the elder to just die. I knew a woman who tied getting her health better and she had something of the lungs. after so many days they had to escort her home. She tried the other hospital and finally on her way to a nursing home she died. I know we need to get mre jobs in our country. We need t stop giving money out to foreing countries. I sure do not see them helping us out. I so upset with all this mess. Also what happen to the money that people paid in and died. SS was supposed to be put in a special account and not touched by they higher ups. I could go and on. Just feel robbed becase I can't get help and having to pay more money when I am on SS..And you see the people who is using the gvt and they get away with it.If I could work I would.Their is something wrong with that. The gvt needs to pa someone to check into this situation. Jails are to ful so Ijust do not see people going to jail. We need the right people in gvt. to do the right thing and leave seniors along. Gvt. needs to gut people in their rep,dem. and even the president side. The young people will not have anything to fall back on and it seems they have the I don't care!. They just spend and spend like nothing will happen or they thinking I go and live with the parents. |
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