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AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 9, 2012 10:00 AM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013

AARP should not be supporting Obama Care. The responsibility of AARP is to support its membership.
1. Obama Care plans on taking billions away from medicare acting like a thief in the night, stealing from Medicare to support another program not supportive of medicare recipients.

2. Obama Care will lead the US to bankruptcy since it is not a program adequately funded.

3. Obama Care will reduce the benefits of Medicare programs.

4. Obama Care supports programs that many of us do not support, such as abortion.

5. Obama Care is already making assaults on the beliefs of Religions in trying to make them provide coverage which goes against their teachings.

6. It has been claimed in the policies that will come forward people will have to contribute to abortions if they want certain coverage. This becomes a moral attack against many.

7. It has been claimed that AARP supports Obama Care because it gains money in the insurance programs it provides. This is not for the betterment of your membership but only for the profit taking of AARP.

8. Obama Care dictates to individuals what they must do which goes against Americas principles of individual rights. It is already being challenged and is before the Supreme Court regarding the constitutionality of this act.

9. You have started a program saying where we can speak out on Medicare and Social Security, but in this case you have gone forth supporting an act without providing the same concern about this act.

10. The economy is bad so it is not a time to come forward with an act which will need to demand more from those that our working, as many companies are looking at bailing out of healthcare because of this act.

11. We have frightening national debt, yet this act will make the debt worse since it dose not have the money to support it.

12. Medical costs need to be controlled before the government jumps into a situation where the costs have gone wild.

13. Many of us on medicare will lose when this law takes complete control.

14. Medicare selections will likely be diminished and many of us will lose options we have selected.

AARP consider your membership and do not support this act which is not supporting us who have paid into social security and medicare for so many years and are now receiving or will soon receive its benefits. Medicare and Social Security may be called entitlements but unlike some others they are entitlements which we have earned. You are contributing to a situation where we could lose both. As of right now Social Security is the largest holder of the national debt. With Obama Care we should expect both Medicare and Social Security to become bankrupt. AARP stop supporting this act before we start dropping our memberships since you no longer our looking into our best interests but rather goes against moral and American principles.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 9, 2012 2:26 PM EDT
Posts: 11
First: March 16, 2012
Last: April 4, 2013
JIMR45

Well said, Jim...however, the health care business, of which AARP is a profit generating member, is too tempting for AARP to just sit idly by and act in the best interest of their membership.  Making big profits from member rolls, on the insurance programs that AARP sells (through United Healthcare) is more important to them.  They are clearly engaged in a conflict of interest relationship at the expense of the membership they profess to advocate.  The support of  the Obamacare provision that siphons off $500 billion of Medicare funds, to fund a new sink hole health care measure, is unconscionable.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 9, 2012 2:44 PM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013
In Response to Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care:
JIMR45 Well said, Jim...however, the health care business, of which AARP is a profit generating member, is too tempting for AARP to just sit idly by and act in the best interest of their membership.  Making big profits from member rolls, on the insurance programs that AARP sells (through United Healthcare) is more important to them.  They are clearly engaged in a conflict of interest relationship at the expense of the membership they profess to advocate.  The support of  the Obamacare provision that siphons off $500 billion of Medicare funds, to fund a new sink hole health care measure, is unconscionable.
Posted by jvcleve2


I have my supplemental insurance elsewhere, where I feel it was a better policy for me, and I think cheaper. Recently they sent a dental insurance policy to me which was very expensive and would cost about 1,400 a year for my wife and myself. It included a deductible a an 80% coverage on some dental work though 100% on some. I had already bought a discount policy which covers my wife and myself that costs 148 for the year. In one visit she saved 300, so we have already gotten our money back. Though it only reduces different treatments by a percentage which is detailed, there is no maximum. Last year my wife went over our maximum coverage in an insurance policy, and I wonder if we would have been better off with the discount program. By the way I had checked with my dentist and he said he accepted it, and I think he even suggested I was better off with it.

So I understand they seem to be driven my their insurance programs and wanting to sell them, however they should be up front and not support a government program which will have a major impact on us just so they can make more money in their own supported programs. There is definitely a conflict here, and I think they should back off of their support and publish how much they are to gain.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 9, 2012 3:12 PM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013
"AARP Profits from ObamaCare at the Expense of American Seniors, New Report Shows Posted by Kevin Smith on March 30, 2011

A new report reveals that AARP stands to make $1 billion over 10 years from ObamaCare, the AARP-backed health care law that funds the creation of a massive new entitlement program at the expense of seniors. Led by Reps. Wally Herger (R-CA), Dave Reichert (R-WA) and Charles Boustany (R-LA), Ways & Means Committee Republicans today unveiled this report – entitled “Behind the Veil: The AARP America Doesn’t Know” – which exposes AARP’s apparent conflict of interests and raises questions about whether the organization is using its tax exempt status to increase profits at the expense of American seniors."
http://www.speaker.gov/Blog/?postid=232516

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 13, 2012 11:12 AM EDT
Posts: 1
First: April 13, 2012
Last: April 13, 2012
I believe AARP is doing the right thing by supporting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.  A very similar "individual mandate," which is used to fund this national health insurance program, also funds Medicare by mandating workers pay into Medicare for use in their senior years.

Society bears the burden of unpaid medical expenses with higher health insurance premiums for workers, greater Medicare contribution requirements and more costly medical services.  Many people which are overburdened with medical bills simply file bankruptcy or settle bills for pennies on the dollar.  And does this system, which has left 25% of the entire population uninsured, really work?  Not at all.  All Americans are paying for this dysfunctional system of health care and insurance, which in its current state does little to help the entire population stay healthy despite its excessive cost to us all.

A quarter of the population has no health insurance.  AARP is wise to support such policies that allow men and women to age in good health.  Besides that, do not overlook the fact that there will probably be some "entity" which will try to use an unconstitutional ruling by the Supreme Court to dismantle Medicare and Social Security too.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 13, 2012 1:06 PM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013
In Response to Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care:
I believe AARP is doing the right thing by supporting the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.  A very similar "individual mandate," which is used to fund this national health insurance program, also funds Medicare by mandating workers pay into Medicare for use in their senior years. Society bears the burden of unpaid medical expenses with higher health insurance premiums for workers, greater Medicare contribution requirements and more costly medical services.  Many people which are overburdened with medical bills simply file bankruptcy or settle bills for pennies on the dollar.  And does this system, which has left 25% of the entire population uninsured, really work?  Not at all.  All Americans are paying for this dysfunctional system of health care and insurance, which in its current state does little to help the entire population stay healthy despite its excessive cost to us all. A quarter of the population has no health insurance.  AARP is wise to support such policies that allow men and women to age in good health.  Besides that, do not overlook the fact that there will probably be some "entity" which will try to use an unconstitutional ruling by the Supreme Court to dismantle Medicare and Social Security too.
Posted by activegrandma


Obamacare does not give money to medicare but it will take around 500 billion dollars to support a program which will lead us to bankruptcy. Obama has already shown where he is taking us by telling the Catholic Church to ignore its teachings and provide insurance programs that do not recognize these beliefs and ignores the first ammendment.

AARP has been challenged for a possible conflict of interest since it sells insurance. Is their support for its supported insurance programs or its membership.
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In an editorial column within the Los Angeles Times, critic Dale Van Atta wrote that AARP does unauthorized lobbying for its membership, and lobbies against the best interests of its membership. Van Atta says that by lobbying for the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act, AARP leaders betrayed the membership.[34]

According to an Annenberg Public Policy Center report, critics have said AARP had a conflict of interest in supporting the Act, because AARP “derives income from the sale of health and life insurance policies,” by licensing its brand to insurance dealers such as New York Life,[35] and would benefit financially from passage of the legislation.[36]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARP

Where does a person get the money to buy insurance when they can hardly afford putting food on the table. This is one of the areas being reviewed by the Supreme Court. One of the big groups here are waiters/waitresses who should have formed insurance groups years ago as some in the resort industries are. That would have given them a more affordable option where they could buy insurances rather then going without insurances as many do.

Where are states going to get money to support medicaid expansion. The feds start with supporting these, but then pass the costs to the states which likely cannot afford them.

Too many have been mislead thinking they are going to get something from nothing. One person in Europe has warned me to avoid the model of where Obama is taking us regarding a socialist insurance program. We lose control and we drive ourself toward bankruptcy.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 27, 2012 9:33 AM EDT
Posts: 12532
First: February 29, 2008
Last: May 17, 2013
In Response to AARP stop supporting Obama Care:
AARP should not be supporting Obama Care. The responsibility of AARP is to support its membership. 1. Obama Care plans on taking billions away from medicare acting like a thief in the night, stealing from Medicare to support another program not supportive of medicare recipients. 2. Obama Care will lead the US to bankruptcy since it is not a program adequately funded. 3. Obama Care will reduce the benefits of Medicare programs. 4. Obama Care supports programs that many of us do not support, such as abortion. 5. Obama Care is already making assaults on the beliefs of Religions in trying to make them provide coverage which goes against their teachings. 6. It has been claimed in the policies that will come forward people will have to contribute to abortions if they want certain coverage. This becomes a moral attack against many. 7. It has been claimed that AARP supports Obama Care because it gains money in the insurance programs it provides. This is not for the betterment of your membership but only for the profit taking of AARP. 8. Obama Care dictates to individuals what they must do which goes against Americas principles of individual rights. It is already being challenged and is before the Supreme Court regarding the constitutionality of this act. 9. You have started a program saying where we can speak out on Medicare and Social Security, but in this case you have gone forth supporting an act without providing the same concern about this act. 10. The economy is bad so it is not a time to come forward with an act which will need to demand more from those that our working, as many companies are looking at bailing out of healthcare because of this act. 11. We have frightening national debt, yet this act will make the debt worse since it dose not have the money to support it. 12. Medical costs need to be controlled before the government jumps into a situation where the costs have gone wild. 13. Many of us on medicare will lose when this law takes complete control. 14. Medicare selections will likely be diminished and many of us will lose options we have selected. AARP consider your membership and do not support this act which is not supporting us who have paid into social security and medicare for so many years and are now receiving or will soon receive its benefits. Medicare and Social Security may be called entitlements but unlike some others they are entitlements which we have earned. You are contributing to a situation where we could lose both. As of right now Social Security is the largest holder of the national debt. With Obama Care we should expect both Medicare and Social Security to become bankrupt. AARP stop supporting this act before we start dropping our memberships since you no longer our looking into our best interests but rather goes against moral and American principles.
Posted by JimR45


ABOVE  INFO is MOSTLY  DECEITFUL 
Medicare has a long history as a tool for health care reform fear tactics.
The bills under consideration in Congress would reduce Medicare expenses by about $50 billion a year over the next 10 years to help slow the spending and spare Medicare from bankruptcy.

The reductions would come not in their benefits, but by reducing waste, fraud and abuse and changing the way Medicare pays hospitals and doctors. The deduction threshold for seniors out of pocket medical costs will remain at the 7.5 % figure. ,

The insurance company does not give a rats be-hind if you live or die.. they only want secure profits. Think of the money you could save.......or get better treatments if we don't have to give the insurance companies ONE THIRD of the premiums paid them to keep for themselves.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 27, 2012 11:36 AM EDT
Posts: 373
First: October 22, 2011
Last: May 3, 2013
In Response to Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care:
In Response to AARP stop supporting Obama Care : ABOVE  INFO is MOSTLY  DECEITFUL  Medicare has a long history as a tool for health care reform fear tactics. The bills under consideration in Congress would reduce Medicare expenses by about $50 billion a year over the next 10 years to help slow the spending and spare Medicare from bankruptcy. The reductions would come not in their benefits, but by reducing waste, fraud and abuse and changing the way Medicare pays hospitals and doctors. The deduction threshold for seniors out of pocket medical costs will remain at the 7.5 % figure. , The insurance company does not give a rats be-hind if you live or die.. they only want secure profits. Think of the money you could save.......or get better treatments if we don't have to give the insurance companies ONE THIRD of the premiums paid them to keep for themselves.
Posted by JANMB


Name one step they have taken to reduce the abuse of medicare spending, Even if the money was saved it is still medicare money not money to pay for a bankrupting program. Obama is great on spending without any backing, since he spends since he must think things will take care of itself. Tends to explain why the national deficit is increasing faster under him than anyone else. How do you account for the estimates of medicare running out of money, and the president foolishly wants to steal from it. It is easy to run for office and promise everyone everything even though you do not have the money to spend. That is not a responsible president, but he did run on a platform of change, but the people forgot to ask what changes. To me change is neuttal until I know what the changes are, and as I see his changes they are negative. He is a great speaker but he is a poor president since there are not responsible deliveries on what the says. Regarding business and government I have a distrust of both and feel both must be monitored, But the government is trying to force us into an unfunded program based upon a wish to control costs.

A question might be asked of AARP and that is how much will they gain from Obamacare? You forget that AARP is in the insurance business also.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at April 27, 2012 4:01 PM EDT
Posts: 1923
First: November 27, 2011
Last: May 18, 2013
In Response to Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care:
In Response to AARP stop supporting Obama Care : ABOVE  INFO is MOSTLY  DECEITFUL  Medicare has a long history as a tool for health care reform fear tactics. The bills under consideration in Congress would reduce Medicare expenses by about $50 billion a year over the next 10 years to help slow the spending and spare Medicare from bankruptcy. The reductions would come not in their benefits, but by reducing waste, fraud and abuse and changing the way Medicare pays hospitals and doctors. The deduction threshold for seniors out of pocket medical costs will remain at the 7.5 % figure. , The insurance company does not give a rats be-hind if you live or die.. they only want secure profits. Think of the money you could save.......or get better treatments if we don't have to give the insurance companies ONE THIRD of the premiums paid them to keep for themselves.
Posted by JANMB


You should read the Trustee Report; specifically the Chief CMS Actuary's summary.
How many times have we cut the SRG (doctor payments) since it was enacted?
If our legislator cannot do what they say, they will not do it under any new program either -

You really think that providers will stay if their rate of reimbursement continues to be reimbursed?
Have you found your Accountable Care Organization yet?  I understand private insurance is also inventing them.

That  medical expense deduction threshold for out of pocket medical cost for the over 65 crowd will increase in 2016 to 10%.just as the rest of the population except theirs takes effect in 2013.

Re: AARP stop supporting Obama Care

posted at August 14, 2012 5:51 PM EDT
Posts: 1
First: August 14, 2012
Last: August 14, 2012
How can AARP SUPPORT Obama care when Obama care takes 741 billion dollars away from medicare?  In 2014 we will be losing over 200.00 per month from our Social Security income.  Could someone please explain the sanity of this decision by AARP???????
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