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Gender: Female
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Texas
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Retired
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I've lived in eight different states, mostly in the south
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"If you want a thing done well, get a couple of old broads to do it".... Bette Davis

A whistling Woman and a Crowing Hen

I love to whistle when I’m happy and busy. One morning, I was whistling softly as I went about my work. A co-worker laughed and said "Two things in this world come to no good end." I laughed with her and replied "A whistling woman and a crowing hen". Neither of us could believe the other had heard that proverb.

 

I had heard it since childhood, but never repeated it because I thought no one else would know what I was talking about. My co-worker and I grew up in different parts of the country and in different cultures, but somehow we had a common thread in our background. I decided to find out exactly where that phrase came from.

 

My introduction to it came from my grandfather. Occasionally, a hen on the farm in Arkansas would attempt to crow. The superstition was that bad luck would come to the house where a hen crowed, so that hen became Sunday dinner. My grandmother was a happy woman who usually sang or hummed as she went about her chores, but she would no more whistle than she would be caught out without her cotton stockings.

 

There are several variations on the proverb, which appears to be of Scotch or Irish origin around the mid eighteenth century. Scotch-Irish immigrants brought their culture and their superstitions with them when they migrated to America. Almost three hundred years later, my friend and I repeat it with a joy of recognition as we work in a modern, high tech setting.

 

I can’t imagine exactly why a whistling woman was historically considered such an abomination, nor why that would be coupled with a crowing hen. Perhaps both reflect an "uppity" nature that offends those who are only comfortable with the strict delineation of gender roles.

 

Maybe that discomfort explains one of the reasons Hillary Clinton’s presidential bid was doomed. Three hundred years and a lot of diversity and change and high tech innovations may have occurred, but we are still uncomfortable with those who stray outside the narrow parameters our culture has defined for them.

m00n says:
KSOHN,

I enjoyed your web site very much. The recipes and the cultural practices described on your links are very familiar to me, even though I grew up in an area far away from Appalachia.

In my genealogy research, I noticed that migration paths during the mid nineteenth century involved the movement of groups of people from the Appalachian area to Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas. I find the responses to the proverb very interesting. The areas where people have heard the phrase seem to reflect those migration paths.
Posted: August 7, 2008 10:14PM EDT
KSOHN says:
mOOn,
Growing up in Greensboro, NC, I heard this saying occasionally from my grandmother, but had forgotten it until I came to eastern Kentucky in 1975 when this saying began to show up in my Appalachian dialect unit as I asked my composition students to share common sayings with me in the college classroom. When it came time for me to do my dissertation at age of 53, I interviewed nontraditional female students who had been in my comp cl****in the early 1990s. For my title, I went back to this saying, but turned it around. These women had come to "good ends," to voice because of their education, so I titled the work, Whistlin' and Crowin' Women of Appalachia: Literacy Practices since College. Now a book, readers can learn more about these wonderful women by going to www.kathysohn.com. Thanks Kathy
Posted: August 5, 2008 12:34PM EDT
mormee says:
WOW THIS IS AWESOME, MOTHER HAS BEEN GONE SINCE 8/02. aND THERE WAS'T A TIME THAT I WOULD WALK THRU THE HOUSE ONLY TO HEAR HER SAYING THAT SAME PHRASE THE GAVE ME GOOD MEMORIES JUS T TO HEAR IT BE SAID AND I AM A SOUTHERN GIRL, DOWN IN NEW ORLEANS...... TOOOO LOOO
Posted: August 3, 2008 3:16PM EDT
m00n says:
Thanks for notifying me, Tennesee Belle. I am pleased to see that this was on the first page because that has enabled some interesting responses from some interesting people. I am surprised at the number of people who have heard the proverb. I've been whistling all morning, but not very loud
Posted: August 2, 2008 1:06PM EDT
Phillyquill says:
I first heard this proverb from my late mother-in-law who was born and lived in Lexington, KY and Knoxville TN. She was a wonderful woman, also of Scotch-Irish descent, who was a fantastic whistler with a cheeky sense of humor. This year Helen would have celebrated her 101st birthday. No doubt she's whistling along with the angels' choir
Posted: August 2, 2008 10:04AM EDT
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Posted: August 1, 2008 11:40PM EDT
Off-the-Grid says:
Your quote from Bette is so accurate. Your story was a pleasure to read. And your photo is giving me ideas. I also, have lived in many states and countries, changed schools too many times to keep track of, so I only wish I had a friend from days of old, or a grandmother to give me wisdom and sayings, maybe that is why I enjoyed reading your story. We are now settled in N.W.Florida on a little over 10 acres and I am starting to develope a love for chickens, whether they crow, cluck or whistle
Posted: August 1, 2008 6:59PM EDT
I grew up in East Texas, in a predominately white community and my grandmother told me about whistling, and I never could figure out the reasoning because I just loved to whistle, and when we were gardening or picking cotton or other farm chores, they could find me just whistling away. And I'm pretty proud of the fact that I could usually hear a song one or two times and be able to whistle it. Also, church songs I'd hear on Sunday usually came out on Monday in the fields. God Bless Women who Whistle.
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Posted: August 1, 2008 4:23PM EDT
m00n says:
Amazing!! My esteemed co-worker who also knew the proverb grew up in eastern Kentucky in a large, closely knit African American family. She's a brilliant lady who is fun to work with. My roots are mixed, mostly scotch-irish. Some of my ancestors migrated from Pittsylvania County, Virginia in the mid nineteenth century with land grants from the war of 1812. It's a small world.
Posted: July 31, 2008 1:27AM EDT
AARPRebecca says:
mOOn,
I grew up in central Virginia in a closely knit African American community and that proverb was paramount in our neighborhood. Your post brought back many memories from my childhood and specifically the teens. Your analysis regarding this proverb (in my opinion) is on point.
Regards,
AARP Rebecca
Posted: July 30, 2008 11:02PM EDT
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