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jihf said:
on November 7, 2009 11:27 PM ET
edited on November 7, 2009 11:31 PM ET Democratic Vote - 219 yeas 39 nays Republican Vote 1 amazing yea!
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In case you failed to read the entire web page, let me draw your attention to the text near the end of the article.
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Administrators from both hospital systems indicated that some of the common assumptions made about immigrants who seek medical care at those facilities (and at other Texas hospitals) are misconceptions:
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While Texas border hospitals often get "anchor babies" - children of Mexican women who dart across the border to give birth to an American citizen - most illegal immigrants who go to major hospitals in Texas can show that they have been living here for years, said Ernie Schmid, policy director at the Texas Hospital Association. Many immigrant families have mixed status; often a patient with no documents has a spouse or children who are legal.
Most immigrant patients have jobs and pay taxes, through paycheck deductions or property taxes included in their rent, administrators at the Dallas and Fort Worth hospitals said. At both institutions, they have a better record of paying their bills than low-income Americans do, the administrators said.
The largest group of illegal immigrant patients is pregnant women, hospital figures show. Contrary to popular belief here, their care is not paid for through local taxes. Under a 2002 amendment to federal regulations, the births are covered by federal taxes through Medicaid because their children automatically become American citizens.
These cases are not affected by new regulations that went into effect on July 1 [2006] requiring Medicaid patients to provide proof of citizenship, Texas health officials said. They said they believed that only small numbers of illegal immigrants had received other Medicaid benefits.
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Rand Corporation Findings
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Only a small fraction of American’s health care spending is used to provide publicly supported care to the nation’s undocumented immigrants—about $1.1 billion of the $88 billion in public funds spent nationally on health care for non-elderly adults.
About 1.16 percent of taxes spent on healthcare.
Republicans and Libertarians continue to raise the canards about undocumented immigrants and tort reform when together the two issues make up less that 2% of health care costs. Total administrative costs in the US are 31% of all health care costs versus 8% to 11% in Europe and less than 3% in Taiwan (single payer). The 20% difference (never discussed by conservatives) amounts to some $480 Billion each year. You want to save money and reduce the deficit, this is the place to start.
The solution to the health care problems is to approach the problem pragmatically, not ideologically.
read some of the quinnipiac page but found nothing on the page to contradict my assertion. To what statement on the page were you intending me to read? The part that says most Americans do not want a health care program if it increases the nations debt. Now we all know it will. And by the way fox news is the most balanced news source out there. Also the libertarins have got the right idea, less government is better government.
My original assertion was:
Most people, according to polls, are willing to pay higher taxes to provide universal coverage.
Your response was that you had not seen any such polls. I find that hard to believe unless you limit your news sources to Fox or the libertarian think tanks. The polls that produced the results have been run for years with little change in results.
I read some of the quinnipiac page but found nothing on the page to contradict my assertion. To what statement on the page were you intending me to read?
Here are more results that support my original assertion.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/04/06/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4923731.shtml
April 6, 2009 6:30 PM
A majority of Americans would pay higher taxes if it meant health insurance for everyone, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll – though many worry that the nation’s economy will suffer if the government were to offer universal health care. The poll also finds that health care is a major domestic concern for Americans, second only to the economy. Fifty-seven percent of those polled say they are willing to pay higher taxes in order to provide all Americans with health care coverage. While seventy three percent of Democrats favor a tax increase to fund coverage, only twenty-nine percent of Republicans back such a move.
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/15715
A vast majority of people in the United States voice support for a universal health care system, according to a poll by Opinion Research Corporation released by CNN. 64 per cent of respondents think the government should provide a national health insurance program for all citizens, even if it leads to higher taxes. In addition, 73 per cent of respondents believe the federal administration should at least provide national health insurance to all American children under the age of 18, regardless of economic implications. On May 7, a coalition of 36 major U.S. companies led by Safeway chief executive officer Steve Burd, announced a campaign calling for universal health care in the U.S. The coalition will suggest a plan based on a similar proposal put forward by California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. It would include guiding principles such as mandatory universal health care, subsidies for lower-income residents, medical coverage for pre-existing conditions, preventive care and healthy lifestyle incentive programs, tax deductions for individuals who purchase insurance, and transparency in medical pricing.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/03/opinion_health_care.html
Responses to Gallup’s question, “Do you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government?” also show increasing support for a federal role in guaranteeing health care coverage. When first asked by Gallup in 2000, a 59-38 majority endorsed a federal responsibility for health care coverage for all. But in their latest reading in November of last year, that majority had swelled to 69-28, their highest reading yet on the question.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2005/09/b1043213.html
2. The public wants the government to play a leading role in providing health care for all. For example, in an October 2003 Washington Post/ABC poll, by almost a two-to-one margin (62 percent to 33 percent), Americans said that they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system. Similarly, in Kaiser polls from 1992 to 2000, a large majority of the public agreed that the federal government should guarantee medical care for people who don’t have health insurance. In a slightly different question asked more recently by Kaiser in June 2003, more than seven in ten adults (72 percent) agreed that the government should guarantee health insurance for all citizens, even if it means repealing most of the tax cuts passed under President George W. Bush, while less than one-quarter (24 percent) disagreed with this statement. Finally, the last time Gallup asked whether the federal government should make sure all Americans have health coverage, they agreed that was a federal government responsibility by 62-35 (November, 2002).
3. Americans overwhelmingly agree that access to health care should be a right. In 2000 just as in 1993, eight in ten agreed that health care should be provided equally to everyone, and over half agreed “strongly” or “completely.” In addition, in 2004, about three-quarters (76%) agreed strongly or somewhat that access to health care should be a right.
4. The public says it is willing to pay more in taxes to provide every American with health care coverage. In August 2003, Pew found Americans favoring, by 67-26, the U.S. government guaranteeing “health insurance for all citizens,” even if that meant repealing most of the “recent tax cuts.” And the majority was scarcely diminished (67-29) by referring not to repealing tax cuts but more directly to “raising taxes.” Similarly, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner/Public Opinion Strategies (GQR/POS) found, in January 2004, a 69-28 majority saying they would be willing to pay more per year in federal taxes to assure every American citizen received health care coverage.
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/health-of-the-public/20070627healthindex.html
The study, the "Health Security Index," found that 72 percent of respondents agreed that "the time has come for universal health care," and 63 percent agreed the time has come "even if it means increasing taxes." Responses were gathered from 1,771 adults nationwide.
http://tcf.org/publications/healthcare/wtprw.healthcare.pdf.
In more recent polls, support for universal coverage remains very strong. In a January 2006 New York Times/CBS News poll, the public said by a 62 percent-to-31 percent margin that it was the federal government’s responsibility to “guarantee health care for all.” In the November Gallup poll, 69 percent agreed that “it is the responsibility of the federal government to make sure all Americans have health care coverage,” the highest level since this question was first asked in 2000. And in the October KFF/ABC/USAT poll, the proposal cited above to replace the current employer-based system with a universal government-run health insurance program like Medicare enjoys support by a 56 percent to 40 percent margin. The public also says it is willing to pay more in taxes to provide every American with health care coverage. In August 2003, Pew Research Center found Americans favoring (by a 67 percent-to-26 percent margin) the U.S. government guaranteeing “health insurance for all citizens,” even if that meant repealing most of “recent tax cuts.” And the majority was scarcely diminished (67 percent to 29 percent) by referring not to repealing tax cuts, but more directly to “raising taxes.” Similarly, Greenberg Quinlan Rosner/Public Opinion Strategies (GQR/POS) found, in January 2004, a 69 percent-to-28 percent majority saying they would be willing to pay more per year in federal taxes to assure every American citizen received health care coverage. In the KFF/ABC/USAT poll, 68 percent endorsed the idea that “providing “health care coverage for all Americans, even if it means raising taxes” was more important than “holding down taxes, even if it means some Americans do not have health care coverage” (28 percent). And in the LP/AHC poll, 67 percent said they favored expanding access to affordable quality health care for all Americans even if it meant raising their taxes, compared to 27 percent who did not.
Most people, according to polls, are willing to pay higher taxes to provide universal coverage What polls? I have never seen them. Please post a link
I agree with you - everyone needs to let their voices be heard!