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TommyBoy2010 said:
on November 9, 2009 08:14 AM ET

 

 

 

Pelosi Bill: 45% Top Tax Rates Coming

Small Business Will Suffer Dramatically

Seniors Will Be Hurt TOO

If the House healthcare bill becomes law, small businesses and the wealthiest, most productive Americans can expect to pay massive new taxes.

 

The bill also includes hidden fees and “excise” taxes that will fall heavily on the elderly .

 

Under the Pelosi bill, citizens reporting income over $500,000 and married couples earning more than $1 million would be slapped with a 5.4% surtax on all income above those thresholds.

 

The Wall Street Journal notes that “after taking into account the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, those people would face a marginal tax rate of 45%.”

 

Small businesses will also suffer.

 

Very small companies – those with payrolls with less than $500,000 – will be exempted, but others will be slammed with new taxes – up to 8% of their payroll – if they don’t offer insurance as dictated by the Pelosi bill.

 

The Joint Committee on taxation says that the surtaxes will raise $460.5 billion over 10 years, with almost a third of that amount coming from small business.

 

The Washington-based Americans for Tax Reform outlines other taxes the will result if the Pelosi bill is passed:

 

Employer Mandate Excise Tax (Page 275): If an employer does not pay 72.5 percent of a single employee’s health premium (65 percent of a family employee), the employer must pay an excise tax equal to 8 percent of average wages. Small employers (measured by payroll size) have smaller payroll tax rates of 0 percent (<$500,000), 2 percent ($500,000-$585,000), 4 percent ($585,000-$670,000), and 6 percent ($670,000-$750,000).

 

Individual Mandate Surtax (Page 296) : If an individual fails to obtain qualifying coverage, he must pay an income surtax equal to the lesser of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) or the average premium. MAGI adds back in the foreign earned income exclusion and municipal bond interest.

 

Medicine Cabinet Tax (Page 324 ): Non-prescription medications would no longer be able to be purchased from health savings accounts (HSAs), flexible spending accounts (FSAs), or health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs). Insulin excepted.

 

Cap on FSAs (Page 325) : FSAs would face an annual cap of $2500 (currently uncapped).

 

Increased Additional Tax on Non-Qualified HSA Distributions (Page 326) : Non-qualified distributions from HSAs would face an additional tax of 20 percent (current law is 10 percent). This disadvantages HSAs relative to other tax-free accounts (e.g. IRAs, 401(k)s, 529 plans, etc.)

 

Denial of Tax Deduction for Employer Health Plans Coordinating with Medicare Part D (Page 327) : This would further erode private sector participation in delivery of Medicare services. Managers' amendment delays until 2012

 

Surtax on Individuals and Small Businesses (Page 336) : Imposes an income surtax of 5.4 percent on MAGI over $500,000 ($1 million married filing jointly). MAGI adds back in the itemized deduction for margin loan interest. This would raise the top marginal tax rate in 2011 from 39.6 percent under current law to 45 percent—a new effective top rate.

 

Excise Tax on Medical Devices (Page 339) : Imposes a new excise tax on medical device manufacturers equal to 2.5 percent of the wholesale price. It excludes retail sales and unspecified medical devices sold to the general public.

 

Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting (Page 344) : Requires that 1099-MISC forms be issued to corporations as well as persons for trade or business payments. Current law limits to just persons for small business compliance complexity reasons. Also expands reporting to exchanges of property.

 

Repeal in Worldwide Allocation of Interest (Page 345) : Repeals the worldwide allocation of interest, a corporate tax relief provision from the American Jobs Creation Act. Original bill merely delayed for nine years

 

Limitation on Tax Treaty Benefits for Certain Payments (Page 346) : Increases taxes on U.S. employers with overseas operations looking to avoid double taxation of earnings.

 

Codification of the “Economic Substance Doctrine” (Page 349) : Empowers the IRS to disallow a perfectly legal tax deduction or other tax relief merely because the IRS deems that the motive of the taxpayer was not primarily business-related.

 

Application of “More Likely Than Not” Rule (Page 357) : Publicly-traded partnerships and corporations with annual gross receipts in excess of $100 million have raised standards on penalties. If there is a tax underpayment by these taxpayers, they must be able to prove that the estimated tax paid would have more likely than not been sufficient to cover final tax liability.

 

Deny Cellulosic Biofuel Producer Tax Credit to “Black Liquor” Resulting from Wood Pulp in Paper Production (Managers’ Amendment Page 14 )

 

 

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Post #19
TommyBoy2010 replied to Khasahndra's Post #17 :
on November 11, 2009 03:59 PM ET

Yeh sure and don't you mean balderdash??????

Show me where you get your statistics with citations or please don't bother posting back....

 bal·der·dash
Pronunciation: \?bo?l-d?r-?dash\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1674

: nonsense


Post #18
dadmotown replied to Khasahndra's Post #17 :
on November 9, 2009 12:33 PM ET

Where do you think all of the small businesses get there materials to process and who do you think transports the small businesses products? Do you think the large businesses will absorb the expense from the extra taxes? Tell me your next fix on how to keep this tax from trickling down to you and me.


Post #17
Khasahndra said:
on November 9, 2009 12:03 PM ET

Bladerdash! The proposed tax will apply to companies with PROFITS avree A MILLION A YEAR - that EXCLUDES 98 PERCENT of "small" busninesses - but the neocon shills can't be bothered to research this stuff and use random bits to concoct scarey scenerios.

Every one of the "facts" presented is total speculation based on preconceived notions leading to dogmatic conclusions.

 

The Top marginal rate for personal income was 89% from 1916 until 1964 (except for the period during WWII when it went to 99%) and America florished. From 1964 until 1981, it was 60%, and things were going gangbusters.  What neocons don't wnat you to notice is that with all those cuts, the size of Government spending has continued to grow, so guess who is paying for the "savings" Republicans have handed the top 1 percent? You got it! THE MIDDLE CLASS - Republican tax policy is total Class Warfare, and so far, they're winning!


Post #16
TommyBoy2010 replied to dadmotown's Post #15 :
on November 9, 2009 11:09 AM ET

Thank you very much for your kind comments. 

 

We, the American People, are getting hit over the head with propoganda by the AARP, the liberal news media, and the lies of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid.  It is a shame because those without the knowledge, want or time are susceptible to this and only hear one side.  So, we have to just try to get the message of truth out there as best we can.

 

Thanks again and we will win in the end.


Post #15
dadmotown said:
on November 9, 2009 10:33 AM ET

I find it very concerning on how many people are putting their future on the line with a Monstoroous bill being explained by the backers and not seeing what is hidden inside the Trojan Horse. The idea we have citizens that put all of their faith in any politician with out do any careful investigation on their own and think they can defend something they know nothing about is very disturbing. Any one that has done any research on their own would understand when you find the flaws that hurt us instead of helping would be just as upset with the government. They are just baffleing with B.S. and succeeding with some. The media pushing legislation that is so massive and with so many hidden faults that will cost us dearly are not doing any one a service. TOMMYBOY2019, thanks for doing some research and exposeing just a fraction of the way this gigantic bill would destroy instead of helping us.


Post #14
mbaker673 replied to KRidge's Post #13 :
on November 9, 2009 10:16 AM ET

It impacts almost every single person negatively.  Here is where just because the bill doesn't say it, that so many believe that there aren't any consequences of the poor design of it. 

 

This is the best scenario for this bill.  If you have insurance at Christmas of 2012, your premiums will go up on January 1, 2013. 

Why?  Mandatory coverage for everyone with preexisting conditions at the same coverage levels that someone who is paying a $160 or less per month premium.  Those will go away, and the public option requires a minimum of $5300 per month at the lowest level.  How is that lowering health care insurance premiums? 

This is the number one objection I have to this entire disaster of a bill.  It does ZERO to actually health care costs.  It targets, and only politically motivated, Insurance companies.  They didn't make the prices of health care so high.  The government needs to back off and take a look from a common person's perspective and say hey, If I was that average Joe, I wouldn't support this either.


Post #13
KRidge replied to mbaker673's Post #11 :
on November 9, 2009 10:09 AM ET

mbaker673, the health care reform impacts nearly everyone. If you read back on the thread, my original comment/question was in reference to the statement "Seniors Will Be Hurt Too" in the original post, and that was the issue I was addressing.  

 


Post #12
KRidge replied to SweetPea912's Post #8 :
on November 9, 2009 10:06 AM ET

SweetPea912, the McCaughey piece is so filled with errors I'm sure there will be more publications writing about her WSJ opinion piece.

 

Just be thankful that I didn't include the article in the Daily Kos :)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/7/801819/-Betsy-McCaughey-is-Wrong-about-Health-ReformAgain!