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A Reasonable Solution to Solve the Alien Problem
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doc70 said:
on March 1, 2008 05:48 PM ET
edited on January 31, 2009 12:41 AM ET I live in Mexico. I know many people here who have gone to the U.S. and returned to Mexico. I know others who have made multiple treks northward, each time returning home with dollars and when the money was spent, they returned to the U.S. for another nest egg. Many Mexicans dream of crossing the border and getting the quick buck and returning. Those who have done it now work in the U.S. but have the dream of someday returning to Mexico. In recent years, the U.S. has given more foreign aid to Sierra Leone than it has to their southern neighbor. Some claim that NAFTA was substituted for foreign aid but in reality it was a private sector program that has not been beneficial at a national scale in Mexico. My plan would be to make a major investment in Mexico in an effort to create jobs. The agreement should be that the monies will be given but that they will be administered by U.S. delegated authorities to prevent bureaucratic corruption from milking it all into a few pockets. The program should establish production plants in the areas of high unemployment and especially provide jobs for those over 40 years old. Hiring preference would be given to those returning from the U.S. to obtain employment within the program. Special emphasis would be given to pharmaceutical products to reduce the cost of medicines. Specific studies would be made of selecting products to be manufactured so that they would not compete with U.S. companies and take jobs from the U.S. labor market. |
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Hi, Sendyaback. This post is pretty old. I had to go back to see what was being discussed. Doc70 is a fellow poster from the old AARP board. He is an intelligent and active contributer who lives in Mexico. He frequently contributed suggestions about how the USA could help Mexico, and his perspective on Mexican-American history.
He was the poster who suggested that we use dollars to create clean industries in Mexico in an effort to provide employment and raise the standard of living there. I would never suggest we do that. I am a bit of an isolationist, especially now that our economy is so far in the tank we have to borrow from foreign banks to provide for our own needs.
Looking at the post, I wonder what happened to Doc70. I have not seen a post from him since this thread. Perhaps he simply did not like the new format.
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That would essentially be an economic stimulus package for Mexico. I am sure that we could afford to fund some sort of program if we chose.
Problems I see:
1) It would be hard to get the Mexican government to agree to any kind of meaningful oversight.
2) Constituents in the U.S. (Like Detroit and Cleveland) would want the stimulus to happen here.
If your selection of possible pharmeceutical industries is based on the high cost of drugs in this country, remember that health and medicines are already highly regulated here.It sounds like you are suggesting that the U.S. government by-pass its own regulatory agency by funding production in another country.
Nevertheless, I like the concept and I think there might be something to it. You could take it to your congressman to explore the possibility of legislation, if you had one.
edited on November 19, 2008 01:55 PM ET
Yes, I know we need to stop it at the employer level, but until that is done,we can not afford to send another dime down there.
Using the High Tech ID cards I mentioned, along with CRAP job certification for the handful of jobs that our citizens will not work at, we can do no-notice insions at any and all employers for undocumented workers. Use the fees from HTID sales to CRAP workers, and fines on employers to immediately deport inappropriate workers, gang members and drug traffickers to a country (not of their choosing) that we have a paid dumping agreement with. Iraq, maybe, unless the departed worker is from the mideast, then send that worker to Guatemala for a tour. Once such a policy is actually used, you will see a run to get back across the border. Pretty draconian, but it WILL WORK.
Can we go down there and work under the table, pay no taxes, collect welfare, and send our money back here?
Most of our workers here are Guatemalan (mayan indians) who butcher chickens, pay taxes, have hospital insurance, and do send money home to their families, who struggle to find jobs there that pay $30/month. They do buy food, cars, clothes, pay rent, etc in the US, which makes things better for us in the US. None collect welfare . None . None . None.
These CRAP (Certified Really Awful Positions) jobs are so bad that no americans will work there for more than a week -TRUTH. I talk to both groups all the times, and I know what I,m talking about.
edited on November 19, 2008 01:55 PM ET
Intersan, what I see of illegals here in rural Ohio does not match will what is seen in larger metro areas, and especially not in major southern metro areas. The drug, crime, gang type immigrants in those locales is a monster problem, As weird as it seems, I know of no way to combat it other than getting valid high tech ID cards for the CRAP workers. If a person picked up on the street does not have a valid state ID from a state that has adequately controlled ID (more work is needed in this whole area for american criminals as well as immigrants) or a high te4ch CRAP ID, they are immediately deported to a country that is NOT just a free ride home. Once this tactic is well known, I anticipate a number of the invalid (not crippled) workers will leave on their own. And a stiff fine of even PRIVATE employers of these undocumented workers should pay for the departation program. These employers have been benefitting from this labor for years. It's time to "pay me later." The Chicago area is not like Tuscarawas County, and needs a sterner remedy.
edited on November 19, 2008 01:52 PM ET
The inability of the United States to play its historic international role is due only to disastrous foreign and domestic policies by an inept administration. It is hoped that with the new Democrat administration, enough of the damage can be repaired to start thinking about addressing the problem of illegals in a more logical sense.
edited on November 19, 2008 01:52 PM ET
The US is too deep in economic and domestic problems to bail out Mexico. Take any American citizen who lives in a city or town that is being overrun with illegals, and they'll tell you that it's affecting all their domestic programs. We have to cover their medical needs, which are considerable when most Americans are struggling with the cost of health care. Then, there's schools, housing, welfare programs and the cost for criminal illegals.
Mexico has a lot of corruption, in its' government and its' drug trade. Not all illegals are coming here to look for work.
I don't know if you're pledging allegiance to the Mexican flag because you live there, but there's a question of how many illegals, coming here, really want to become American citizens.
Do you live in Mexico because you were born there or because you moved there?
edited on November 19, 2008 01:51 PM ET
BTW- Can
we
go
down
there
and
work
under
the
table
Tens
of
thousands
of
Americans
living
in
Mexico
work "under
the
table" and
more
than
40% of
them
live
in
Mexico
illegally, without
documents.
pay
no
taxes
Fortunately, the
Hacienda (equivalent
of
the
IRS) is
not
as
sophisticated
as
the
IRS
in
its
collection
procedures
and
usually
businesses
pay
taxes
but
a
large
percentage
of
families
do
not.
collect
welfare
Mexico
does
not
have
a
welfare
system
but
it
does
provide
free
health
care, education
at
an
extremely
low
cost
and
many
agriculture
assistance
programs. Instead
of
monthly
gifts, the
philosophy
here
is
to
provide
avenues
to
work
and
get
educated. Unfortunately, the
temptation
to
go
northward
is
too
much
for
some
but
with
a
strong
family
unit
philosophy, few
go
without.
and
send
our
money
back
here?
You
could
send
your
money
wherever
you
wanted.
edited on November 19, 2008 01:51 PM ET
Hi, Doc70!
Well, If we were to stop giving American jobs away here, your idea would be great. But, since we are already sending American dollars in the millions to Mexico, via the illegal laborers,
Yes, I know we need to stop it at the employer level, but until that is done,we can not afford to send another dime down there.
I don't know if you heard, but we don't have health insurance here ,housing values are plummeting, and our stocks are on the downslide, and where it will stop, nobody knows.
We may all be considering moving to Mexico soon to be able to afford to live.BTW- Can we go down there and work under the table, pay no taxes, collect welfare, and send our money back here?
