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tennisnut1 said:
on November 5, 2009 01:27 PM ET

Since there are several topics on dress,  etc.,  I would like to cast my iron in the fire.

Why do women want to wear pants all the time??  I can understand jeans,  slacks being worn for  outdoor  activities and grocery shopping.  But what is wrong with a skirt or dress when one goes out to eat, a movie,  etc.

I got into a little bit of trouble when I told my two granddaughters that pants are OK when I take you to the park,  bowling,  miniature golf, etc.,  but when I take you out to a movie or to eat, I want you in a skirt and/or dress.

It would be interesting to read your reply.  Give it a go!

Later,  Dave

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Post #58
bionicwoman replied to mesugafritz's Post #56 :
on November 9, 2009 08:55 AM ET

 Beware of judgments towards others for divergent opinions, or a difference  in educational achievements  for their level of intelligence may be greater than ours.

Hi There,

I do have to say that I agree with you on the above-mentioned caption as far as being open to divergent opinions.  But there are many individuals who have enjoyed high levels of educational achievement that disagree with others that match their educational success.  And that is why divergent opinions are necessary.

But I don't see how scientifically it would be possible to link infertility to all this.  Pollution, tight fitting underwear for men, poor nutrition, alcohol or substance abuse, prescription drugs and stress are all named as culprits.  And world population sure isn't decreasing at this time!  

I would be interested in what scholarly sources make this claim about fertility.

One last thing, the font you use is very pretty, but kind of hard to read.  Just a suggestions......

Enjoy your trip.  

 

Mary


Post #57
m00n replied to mesugafritz's Post #56 :
on November 9, 2009 12:19 AM ET

Thanks for taking the time to write such a scholarly analysis.

 

In the eighteenth century, men wore powdered wigs and ornate jackets and silk stockings. So did women. Yet, we seem to have reproduced very effectively in the centuries since then.

 

Why would someone assume that a society's choice of clothing could result in decreased fertility?  It seems more likely that effective and available birth control has allowed women to postpone pregnancies until they are past their most fertile years. Also, our food is modified with hormones that could impact our fertility.

 

IMO, the biggest problem the world faces is overpopulation. If mere clothing fashions can influence human beings to stop reproducing at a rate the planet can't sustain, we need to quickly distribute that clothing worldwide.

 

I said nothing about the poster of this topic holding a derogatory opinion of women. I didn't see that in his post. I said we don't have the right to tell our grand children what to wear. It's important to teach children of both genders about boundaries.

 

I hope you enjoy your trip. It sounds like a wonderful opportunity. 

 


Post #56
mesugafritz replied to m00n's Post #50 :
on November 8, 2009 10:01 PM ET
edited on November 8, 2009 11:06 PM ET
 
 
 
 
Sorry for taking a few days to reply.  I am getting ready for a long drive to Florida and didn't want to get caught up in a discussion I enjoyed enough to  entice me to take along my lap top.  I want to take the back roads and enjoy the colour and aura & real life of the road trip.
 
In  discussing the concept of the androgynous direction in which we may very well be moving and what is wrong  with it, if one perceives  that to  be wrong.
 
I'm not making any judgments on the rightness or wrongness of it.  I think that to be a moot point in that the rightness or wrongness of it doesn't exist.  It is simply living within the frame work of the reality of the moment.
 
Role playing in fashion will not cause androgyny to develop but does play a part in conjunction with other parts whereas fashion can become an identifying factor. We now seem to be developing that recognition of it. Fashion has become like a mirror when held to  our psyche can produce a  mental/visual picture of it's developing.
 
It can be argued that ancient times saw everyone in flowing clothes.  Fashion was related more to jewelry and facial adornment, i.e kohl for the eyes, berries for lips. However the issue is that the facts of that era held clearly defined roles for gender identification.  We no longer have those.
 
Let's look at The anima and animus, or feminine and male aspects of each personality.  We are now blending those. The male unconscious  finds expression in it's feminine inner personality, anima. The female unconscious  expresses itself through it's masculine inner personality,animus.
 
 We now refer to allowing and encouraging the feminine side of our boys to develop.  We encourage dolls for boys role playing , trucks for girls.  I am the daughter of a Cherokee/Jew truck driver, raised on trucks but was not encouraged to use them as an expression of the maleness of my personality in order to balance the ying and yang. 
 
Men are becoming women  and women are becoming men. I am not suggesting that this is not an acceptable situation. However we are blending the distinctions between the genders until we no longer have a distinction. This is an androgynous state and will erase us.  It will not happen in our life time but in continuing it will happen.
 
In regard to a rightness or wrongness of this state.  There is no rightness or wrongness, simply an identification of living within the frame work of the reality of the  moment.  In  continuing in this direction without a check and balance system in place we will eventually loose the ability to reproduce.  It is already occurring
Without in vitro fertilizations many couples cannot conceive and it is a growing condition
 
Socially we actually romanticize the  one parent family where one parent plays both roles. This condition has existed from the beginning of time through unavoidable circumstance and we have had to hitch ourselves up by our boot straps and become that  necessary parent.  I am not referring to that.  I am referring to the conscious decision to become a single parent, not wanting to  be part of a 2  parent home, of a marriage, of a family.  The "right" to have a child through a medical procedure  to satisfy our "needs".
 
Poor Dan Quale lambasted for perceiving potential futures developing through art.
 
Our fashion "reflects" those changes. This is the mirror through which we can look at ourselves.
That's what I was referring to in regard to fashion, not the cause but the mirror.
 
The author of this topic, in interaction with his grandchildren was experiencing this subconscious reflection and was not in any way, or did not appear to me to be, holding a derogatory or authoritative position toward women. 
 
Being able to confront one's animus can be a psychological masterpiece and the source for true creative ability.
 
This is a very simplistic reply however space and the environment in which we are communicating does not allow for in depth text.
 
 
Beware of judgments towards others for divergent opinions, or a difference  in educational achievements  for their level of intelligence may be greater than ours.
 

Post #55
ASTRAEA replied to m00n's Post #54 :
on November 8, 2009 07:00 PM ET

I've always had a very small waist, but the sand in the "hourglass" seems to be slowly heading south!


Post #54
m00n replied to ASTRAEA's Post #53 :
on November 8, 2009 03:28 PM ET

I see it the same way, Astraea.

 

My closet has a lot fewer belts than it did 20 year ago.

 


Post #53
ASTRAEA replied to m00n's Post #50 :
on November 8, 2009 08:34 AM ET

I think that clothing is just an outward manifestation of androgeny, and follows the trend, rather than leading it. Androgenous clothing could be either male or female, but structured to cover & camouflage indications of sex .. like the hourglass figure of women or the triangular one of men. Even when designers make styles that are more androgenous, anyone non-androgenous will try to adapt it to be more sexually flattering, if they can .. like with a belt to identify a small waist.

 

I think when women were (and still are) breaking into male dominated professions, they looked for androgenized or feminized male forms of clothing, so their sex wouldn't be as much a factor in how they were treated at work.


Post #52
akboscacci replied to gwynnoak's Post #51 :
on November 7, 2009 09:24 PM ET
edited on November 7, 2009 09:25 PM ET

...ahhhh...the mere 'fantasy' of having (what I &/or others might say were) "skinny" legs!  I have short, muscular legs.  I prefer pants because I believe they are more flattering to my legs, to my figure; ...&...they are sooo...comfortable!  

 

However, there are times when I enjoy wearing a comfortable mid-calf-length skirt, with matching jacket, & an attractive silk blouse or (in cooler weather) a soft turtleneck.

Cheers,   Anna


Post #51
gwynnoak said:
on November 7, 2009 06:20 PM ET

I usually wear pants, because I am sooooo self-conscious about my skinny legs.